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Old 06-20-2013, 09:36 AM   #15
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Roz, I've been using a Yamaha 1000 for about ten years. Great little unit, quiet on ECO mode. Don't run your refer on AC if you want it to run on ECO mode. The heater takes a bit of juice. Also, be careful about leaving fuel in it when stored. All of these (Honda and Yamaha) small generators can get gummed carburetors in a short period of time. I drain and run my generator dry before storing. Use Stabil, too.

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Roz, I've been using a Yamaha 1000 for about ten years. Great little unit, quiet on ECO mode. Don't run your refer on AC if you want it to run on ECO mode. The heater takes a bit of juice. Also, be careful about leaving fuel in it when stored. All of these (Honda and Yamaha) small generators can get gummed carburetors in a short period of time. I drain and run my generator dry before storing. Use Stabil, too.

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Old 09-22-2013, 05:13 PM   #17
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As to generators... the new Airstreams with two A/C units require 50 Amp service. Has anyone experience with the Yamaha Inverter EF6300iSDE? It will power early the two A/C units plus whatever. At 200 lbs. it would be in the bed of the pickup, mounted permanently sort of. A nice feature is remote starting. And, with a 20 gal fuel cell which can be used for a tank to refill with a pump, one can be out boondocking for a long time.

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Old 09-26-2013, 07:56 AM   #18
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Yamaha EF6300iSDE

I bought this big inverting generator when my parallel combination of two Yamaha EF2000iS wouldn't run my single AC unit at altitude (2013 23D Flying Cloud). That's one thing to worry about with the generators: they supposedly lose 3% of their output per 1000 feet. I found this out after I bought the pair, and when I did a quick calculation of all the places we go, we'd be unable to run our AC unit anywhere!!! (we're usually boondocking in higher elevation areas...7K and up...except the beach, and who runs an AC unit at the beach?!)

I haven't gone back and tried the AC unit again since getting the "big boy", but I should have plenty of margin, now. You should be fine with that mounted in your pickup. It's a little hard shlepping it around (200lbs, dry).

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As to generators... the new Airstreams with two A/C units require 50 Amp service. Has anyone experience with the Yamaha Inverter EF6300iSDE? It will power early the two A/C units plus whatever. At 200 lbs. it would be in the bed of the pickup, mounted permanently sort of. A nice feature is remote starting. And, with a 20 gal fuel cell which can be used for a tank to refill with a pump, one can be out boondocking for a long time.

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Old 09-26-2013, 08:21 AM   #19
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If you have a microwave or use a toaster, coffee maker, hair dryer, etc., you might find that the Honda 2000 is worth the extra bucks over a 1000.
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Old 09-26-2013, 08:37 AM   #20
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We have a 19ft Bambi and would like to purchase a quiet generator for boondocking.
We were looking at a Honda EU2000i Inverter Generator....Is this a smart buy?? We realize it wont run the AC but hope to not need AC much.
Yes.
I have one. It has run flawlessly for 5 years and lots of hours. I change the oil once a year and have changed the spark plug once. I drain the fuel when I am not using it for a month or more. This involves running out the gas and draining the float bowl by turning a screw on the bottom of the carb. There is factory service most anywhere.
We hunt in Colorado in the fall and are off the grid for a month. Temperatures are frequently below freezing at night. The batteries would be dead in a day were it not for the generator and solar charger. For hard core boondocking, you need both.
Yamahas have a good reputation and appear similar to the Honda.
There is a Chinese knockoff that looks like a Honda for half the price. You are on own as far as service. For a hard core user like myself, it is worth paying up for quality.
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My advice is to look at the Yamaha 2400 iHSC. Compare it to the Honda 2000. It was tested and rated in a comparison of generators and came out the champ. It costs more for a reason- more power, designed for motors (starting) with capacitor temp overload, direct drive versus, belt driven, has fuel gauge, available in tri-fuel (propane, gas, natural gas) versions, has longer life rating than Honda by Federal testing, etc, etc. Depending on what AC you have it will run that too. My 11,000 BTU unit works fine with it. I ordered the tri-fuel model and it works on my propane tank too. The #1 problem with generators is gummed carbs from old gasoline and occasional use. This is even more an issue with corn fuel ethanol. If you order from a Yamaha dealer WITH the conversion done by them, it is warranted. You can do it yourself too. As far as noise, they are about equal according to the test. The Honda was reported as quieter at an idle with no load but loaded it was louder. The Yamaha, quieter under a load than Honda. The ONLY negative I have ever heard is that it weighs about 25lbs more than the Honda but the extra power is nice in a single running unit. So, there ya go.
I second this recommendation. Originally wanted the Yamaha 2000 but the store was out so I got the 2400iHSC and am glad I did - the extra power is more than worth the extra 25lbs.
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Old 09-27-2013, 10:04 PM   #22
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Another rave for my Honda EU 2000.
It was snowing this morning in Fraser, Colorado (the ice box of the nation) and I went to start my Honda as my batteries were in the red as the furnace had run all night to keep my tin can in the high 40's. It ran for a few seconds and then shut off. The low oil light went on.
"Oh, Oh" I thought I have finally abused it to death. I had been running it for many hours out hunting this past month. It hasn't used oil in the past so I never checked the oil. My mistake.
I purchased oil and topped it off with about 4 ounces and it fired right up and ran as usual.
Previously we had been hunting in Dinosaur, Colorado and the inside was full of dust as the wind blew for 40 mph, enough to give the Airstream a real good shake.
My Honda keeps on ticking despite lots of abuse. After the hunting season, I am going to treat it to a full service and cleanup and.... check the oil once a week. I promise.
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Just another question regarding using two generators and combining to get the output of one large (5000W). I am occasionally boon docked in southern Colorado (Las Animas County) and the sun is bright, temps in the high 80's to 90's. When I get the new Flying Cloud with two A/C units, I will need 50 Amps.

Can any two generators be wired together? And, is there an electronic control which would start the second generator when needed?

In 2010 I was in San Antonio with my 2009 27FB Int and the A/C was marginal in the daytime heat even when on shore power.

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Old 09-28-2013, 06:55 AM   #24
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Msmoto said, "Can any two generators be wired together? And, is there an electronic control which would start the second generator when needed?"

The hard answer is yes; however, only certain models come ready to do it. They have to be phased together. There are devices known as phase monitors that allow multiple generators to work together. It just depends how technical you want to go. Ready made units are known as companion models. There are other considerations too though with multiple generators- more fuel and maintenance.

On the matter of AIr conditioning, there is some misinformation I believe in the RV industry. Consider the BTU to room volume and insulation rating formulas then look at a typical Airstream. The formula goes like this:

Find the interior space volume LxWxH (my 25' is something like 23x8.08x6.29 or 1168.93 cu ft.)

Then use an exposure rating as a multiplier ( this is more accurate for a stationary home but...)
Primary exposure is to which direction. N=16, S=18, E=17 and W=20. In other words, are large walls, windows etc on the sunny side? RVs move so let's use the west or east multiplier at least.

So my volume times 20; 1168.93 x 20 = 23,378.6

Now consider the insulation factor. In this case, we will use the poorest rating---4. Divide the exposure product by 4

5844.65

So, what BTU rating is needed for my AS? 5845 BTU to cool it at most - poorest insulation, most sun exposure,etc.

I have a thought about the drier regions of the US and air conditioners. Don't drier climates benefit more from swamp coolers or other technologies rather than ac? I do not know this information always having dealt with cooling in humid climates.
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My desire for a new unit is to be comfortable in all conditions. And, Airstream must have a reason for offering the second A/C unit on the 30 foot Flying Cloud. On the Outer Banks of North Carolina it can be quite warm, no shade, and I do not want to be warm.
As to using two generators, my brief research now suggests the Yamaha 6300 unit will run slow enough to be almost as economical as two 3000 watt units when only small power is needed. The disadvantage is the 200 lbs. which means it stays in the truck bed when boondocking and thus no A/C when away from the trailer. Price wise and considering maintenance one generator is much simpler to keep up and costs less initially as pointed out.
Once I get the new trailer I will test this out and report back to the forum.
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Old 09-29-2013, 05:12 AM   #26
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Re: Possible reasons generator(s) may be impractical for powering air conditioner(s)

Just my opinion, but I think if you plan on using one or more generators to power your air conditioner(s) without hookups, you will find several reasons why this may be impractical:
  • Generators are loud. Even "quiet" units will become annoying if run 24/7.

  • Some campgrounds may limit when, and for how long, you may run a generator. If it is a loud model, you may be asked to turn it off, or not use it all.

  • Generators use a lot of fuel. If you run a generator under heavy load, like powering one or more air conditioning units, you will probably find that generator(s) may use almost as much fuel as leaving your TV running 24/7.

  • Running generator(s) 24/7 will probably require that you either add a large auxiliary fuel tank, draw fuel from your TV tank, or leave your campsite to purchase fuel almost daily.

Consequently, if you camp where you need air conditioning 24/7, you may find it more convenient (and cheaper) to select an RV campground/resort that has full hookups.

In the desert southwest, we never camp where we need to run our generators 24/7. If we need air conditioning for extended periods, we look for a campground with full hookups. Or, in the summer, we head for the mountains and cooler weather.

We use our generators only for topping off the batteries, and for emergencies, like breaking down in the desert. In most cases, they run for only an hour or two per day, usually during breakfast and/or dinner.
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Oh, I fully agree about the generator running all day. I currently have a motorhome with three A/C units and this will burn 1/2 gal or more diesel per hour or as much as $75 in a day, worst case scenario (10,000 watt gen). But, I have land in southern Colorado where I like to camp and want to run two A/C units to cool the unit for maybe four hours, then the evenings are usually cool. But this will require the larger generator for a short time.
Many areas, race tracks for example, have no hook ups so dry camping is required.
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Old 09-29-2013, 06:49 AM   #28
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Our crew has a Honda 1000, 2000, 3000

the 1000 has a higher pitch and some feel more annoying than the 2000
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