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Old 05-25-2011, 08:45 AM   #57
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I carried a Honda 2000i all last season and never started it up. Just wanted to have one in case. So I downsized to a 1000i and mounted it on top of the battery box so it's out of the way, but I still cover the "just in case".
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Old 05-25-2011, 09:01 AM   #58
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My son aquired a Honda 2500w gen. for the "right price". . I plan to bring it along when we travel and try using it very sparingly to keep the batteries up when needed. It not a real quiet type but it is pretty, maybe very, quiet. So I'll give it a go. And try to be a good neighbor. My '85 Excella has a switch so you cannot run the AC and microwave at the same time. We rarely use the microwave anyway so really don't care. I would like to have the ability to run the AC when needed so I'm hoping that the 2500w will be adaquate for that. Haven't tried it yet so time will tell. Most of our camping so far has been at high altitudes out west so AC is rarely needed but it's nice to have the flexibility to wander about.
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Old 05-25-2011, 09:03 AM   #59
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I'm getting confused again. nothing new there, I suppose. But all this generator talk...Honda vs Yamaha vs Chaing Kai Check brand or whatever. Get 1000 if you just want to charge batteries, 3000 if you want to use the microwave and air conditioner, except you can get 4000 cheaper than 3000 if you buy two 2000s....except someone somewhere says you can do it all on a 2400...but it weighs more than it costs....and of course the super boosted HeavyDuty turbo charged F-350 4x4 all inclusive 5000 kw twin boosted model that sips gasoline and will run a small city using nuke fuel is the best of all but you need six bodybuilders to clean and jerk it into the back of the truck.....

What's the minimimum generator capacity that will run the microwave for a few minutes while both the air conditioner and refrigerator are running ? That's really the max load, isn't it?

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I found this link helpful when I was trying to pick the right generator for my needs. Generator Sizing Chart - Yamaha Motor Corporation, USA
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Old 05-25-2011, 09:31 AM   #60
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Thanks. I am trying to work my way through it. Part of the problem is that all the manuals are in the trailer, which is locked up in Dallas. And I'm not. Locked up in Dallas, I mean...actually not anywhere near Dallas.

The new 27FB has a 15,000 btu ac, a microwave, and the fridge that all apparently prefer alternating current. Hey, different strokes and all that.. We won't need the ac to be run on the generator very often, as when we will be set up away from hookups we will be at about 7200 ft. elevation and the nights are just not that hot. We have lived in the tropics for six years without any air conditioning, but being in the trade winds is definitely not the same as inside an aluminum can.

That Yamaha site doesn't say anything about altitude, does it? And they are saying you need to buy at least a 2800 watt genny to run a hotplate, light bulb, and heating pad....

never mind the rest of the 12 volt systems ( pump, roof fans, batteries, computer power supply, Willie Nelson or Lyle Lovett CDs...)

Makes me suspicious of something, somewhere.
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Old 05-25-2011, 10:22 AM   #61
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I just got the gen I thought would run the main thing I wanted to use when boondocking and that was the A/C in hot weather.
The fridge works great on propane and all the other systems are 12v. For the 12v stuff you just need a small gen to charge batteries if you are boondocking for several days..unless you have solar panels. I do have solar panels so my main concern was just the A/C.
So, to run the 15,000btu A/C I bought the Yamaha 3000 w/boost.
Did you see what a hair drier uses wattage wise? Wow!
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Old 05-25-2011, 10:41 AM   #62
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not sure, but I think that if you have your trailer power supply plugged into a generator, your generator is taking on the requirement to run the 110-12 v converter to power the 12 volts and charge the batteries.

I don't think this system is smart enough to say "Oh, there's a solar charger here, so I don't need to power up the battery charger in the trailer" etc.

Isn't that the way it works? You feed the trailer's converter, and it feeds everything else? Aren't your solar cell outputs wired to the battery parallel to the converters outputs?
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Old 05-25-2011, 10:49 AM   #63
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I just remembered, the Honda book says you can get the carb adjusted for altitude. I probably could do it myself, but never have cared enough to try since it meets our needs. The solar panel is only working intermittently, and mostly not at all right now, so that needs to be fixed, but we are camped with hookups right now, so maņana.

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Old 05-25-2011, 12:56 PM   #64
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not sure, but I think that if you have your trailer power supply plugged into a generator, your generator is taking on the requirement to run the 110-12 v converter to power the 12 volts and charge the batteries.

I don't think this system is smart enough to say "Oh, there's a solar charger here, so I don't need to power up the battery charger in the trailer" etc.

Isn't that the way it works? You feed the trailer's converter, and it feeds everything else? Aren't your solar cell outputs wired to the battery parallel to the converters outputs?

It all depends on how you use your trailer.
My converter has little to do when I pull into a boondocking site. Batts are already charged to max from the TV connection. If I'm at the site for a day or 2 the solar will charge the batts. Then if it gets hot and I run the gen to get a/c power, the gen is mostly handling that. Other small stuff is not important as I don't use that much electric when camping. If it's a concern then I could just run the gen to charge the batts first then run the a/c.
I don't use everything at one time when camping that way. As a matter of fact I don't need the gen for anything except A/C. since I have solar to keep the batts charged up. Of course cloud cover and trees may make the solar unusable but the gen will help in those situations.
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Old 05-25-2011, 07:10 PM   #65
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I don't get the hostility that some folks exibit. If there is a campground rule, or a law, then a report of a violation should be made to the proper authority. If its not against the rules or law, then someone can run their stuff 24/7 and if anyone doesen't like it then they can get on down the road. As for vandalizing someone's stuff, in these days of everyone having a video camera, you just might find yourself sitting in jail and or writing a nice fat check for damages. Plus there is the idea that if caught in the act, you and your loved ones , could suffer some very serious injury. A crazy man with a ball bat could put a hurt on your whole family. I'd rather just develope a thick skin and not be so easily annoyed.
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I'm with you, Snedwid...if you don't like the rules (like generator hours), move on. We were dry camping once where it was hot and we needed to run the generator at times, but we only did it during those times "allowed." One guy from across the park wondered by and fumed at me becasue I was disturbing his "peace" with a Honda 2000 that you could barely hear in the next campsite. Then I saw what he was traveling in... a shell of a Casita, no propane tanks, no electricity, no plumbing. He was basically using the shell as a tent on wheels. I decided he was just an unhappy grouch whose only joy is being grumpy and unpleasant to people who are operating within the rules.
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Old 05-26-2011, 06:08 AM   #67
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Yer basic unhappy camper.

I've heard of those.
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Old 05-26-2011, 08:21 AM   #68
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I'm with you, Snedwid...if you don't like the rules (like generator hours), move on. We were dry camping once where it was hot and we needed to run the generator at times, but we only did it during those times "allowed." One guy from across the park wondered by and fumed at me becasue I was disturbing his "peace" with a Honda 2000 that you could barely hear in the next campsite. Then I saw what he was traveling in... a shell of a Casita, no propane tanks, no electricity, no plumbing. He was basically using the shell as a tent on wheels. I decided he was just an unhappy grouch whose only joy is being grumpy and unpleasant to people who are operating within the rules.
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We just camped for a couple of days in the North Campground in Bryce Canyon National Park. We were camped in one of the loops that permitted generator use between 8:00 AM and 8:00 PM. One morning at about 9:30 AM I was starting up Lucy's generator to top off her batteries when a couple (the type wearing the floppy hats with chin straps and walking with ski poles) walked by making loud derogatory comments about me starting Lucy's generator. I resisted the temptation to shoot back, and went about my business. I thought to myself, though, what a bunch of crap. Why should I have to feel bad when I am obeying the rules. As far as I'm concerned, the floppy hat crowd can pound sand.

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Thanks. I am trying to work my way through it. Part of the problem is that all the manuals are in the trailer, which is locked up in Dallas. And I'm not. Locked up in Dallas, I mean...actually not anywhere near Dallas.

The new 27FB has a 15,000 btu ac, a microwave, and the fridge that all apparently prefer alternating current. Hey, different strokes and all that.. We won't need the ac to be run on the generator very often, as when we will be set up away from hookups we will be at about 7200 ft. elevation and the nights are just not that hot. We have lived in the tropics for six years without any air conditioning, but being in the trade winds is definitely not the same as inside an aluminum can.

That Yamaha site doesn't say anything about altitude, does it? And they are saying you need to buy at least a 2800 watt genny to run a hotplate, light bulb, and heating pad....

never mind the rest of the 12 volt systems ( pump, roof fans, batteries, computer power supply, Willie Nelson or Lyle Lovett CDs...)

Makes me suspicious of something, somewhere.
I've been in the Colorado Rockies at approximately the same altitudes you're concerned with. I used the Yamaha 2400 for AC, etc. (no microwave, which might take more than the ac) and had no problems at all.

Used the genset on the North Rim of the Grand Canyon (9000 ft) with the same results. Obviously running a microwave and the ac could be problematic, but sacrifices could be made. ;-)
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