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08-12-2017, 04:05 PM
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Rivet Master
2008 22' Safari
Spicewood (W of Austin)
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Originally Posted by explore more
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Stupid question, but is the white gas line flexible? Or is it a copper line?
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Chances are... it's actually a copper line inside a piece of white PEX to protect it from road debris.
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08-12-2017, 07:41 PM
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#62
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Rivet Master
2013 31' Classic
billings
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I did the 3" lift kit on my13 31' classic, 4500 miles on it now ,I do like it and it made no difference in the handling, the first step is now up , measuring 6" from the ground....
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08-18-2017, 10:28 AM
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another quick question. I'm about to do this on my 23 footer.
I'm a bit concerned running my propane line underneath the axle like you did. It's probably not a big deal, but I'd rather it's not the lowest thing hanging down on the trailer.
I assume you didn't run it in the stock location because the bracket bolts would be in the way?
I may end up welding the bracket to the axle on my install. I'm never removing it, and this way there will be half the bolts to keep torqued. Thanks for the writeup, it helps me visualize what's needed for my install. It looks like there's MUCH better access on the 23D than my 30.
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08-18-2017, 11:49 AM
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Rivet Master
2008 22' Safari
Spicewood (W of Austin)
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Quote:
Originally Posted by explore more
another quick question. I'm about to do this on my 23 footer.
I'm a bit concerned running my propane line underneath the axle like you did. It's probably not a big deal, but I'd rather it's not the lowest thing hanging down on the trailer.
I assume you didn't run it in the stock location because the bracket bolts would be in the way?
I may end up welding the bracket to the axle on my install. I'm never removing it, and this way there will be half the bolts to keep torqued. Thanks for the writeup, it helps me visualize what's needed for my install. It looks like there's MUCH better access on the 23D than my 30.
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I wouldn't advise welding anything anywhere on that axle. The heat might affect the rubber torsion-rods and any heat-treatment of the axle itself.
(On a similar axle for a different trailer the tongue was reinforced by a welder by attaching it all the way to the center of the Dexter torsion-axle ...resulting in the subsequent failure of the curbside swing-arm position. (Likely due to overheating the rubber internal rods.) This required the complete exchange of axles.
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08-18-2017, 01:14 PM
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That's a great reminder, thanks. I'll be welding to the spring perches, not the axle tube itself. I'm betting it's far enough away not to damage the rubber. I'll keep an eye on it and go in small sections.
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08-18-2017, 01:40 PM
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Im also going rogue and using angle iron with gussets instead of c channel. I know, I'm a rebel.
Thanks again to troutboy for the pics and description, it helped me know what to get.
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08-18-2017, 08:23 PM
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Rivet Master
2008 22' Safari
Spicewood (W of Austin)
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Heavy-wall square tubing would be ideal.
If planning to bolt-on... simply use a chop saw to cut out the end-panel and drill the holes.
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08-18-2017, 09:45 PM
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Rivet Master
2017 23' Flying Cloud
Parker
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The main issue I rerouted it was not the bolts. It was the angles required to bend to get back in the channel. In my opinion I would have crimped the tuning as they are very sharp turn requirements. The gas line with the Pex is not the lowest point by far. If you look the plate on the axel is lower. As well as a valve on the bottom of one of the tanks. I believe it's the low point drain.
I feel pretty good about the location. I looked hard for another way around and couldn't figure it out.
Good luck.
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08-18-2017, 10:34 PM
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Gotcha. My brackets are all made and ready to go on tomorrow. I'll be going with 4" of lift.
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08-18-2017, 10:36 PM
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2017 23' Flying Cloud
Parker
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Quote:
Originally Posted by explore more
Gotcha. My brackets are all made and ready to go on tomorrow. I'll be going with 4" of lift.
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Sounds cool, keep us posted and share some pictures. Curious as to how you do the gas line.
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08-20-2017, 06:28 PM
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Will do. I filmed the process and I'll be making a quick video of how I did it. I used angle iron instead of tube, so I had more room to run the propane line in the stock location. It's all buttoned up, and I'm really happy with it. I also got 4" of lift, which is about the most I'd want with these narrower axles.
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08-20-2017, 06:31 PM
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2017 23' Flying Cloud
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Sounds cool!!
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08-21-2017, 08:24 AM
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2 Rivet Member
2013 25' Flying Cloud
Middleton
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Here's a link to a parallel thread on Dexter lift kits. I posted on the install on our 2013 25FC in post 172. And thanks again to Troutboy for the excellent documentation on his install.
http://www.airforums.com/forums/f437...ml#post1996961
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08-13-2021, 02:34 PM
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3 Rivet Member
2017 19' Flying Cloud
Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Steamy1
Great write-up!
I installed the lift kit on our 19' Bambi, but do not really want to tackle the 23FB dual axle. I think I'm am going to have the guy in Oregon do it.
I think Airstream changed the axle from a #10 (3000 lb.) to a #11 (3,500lb.) on the 23', so you should double check your axle if you have an older 23'. If you have #10 axles, you will need Dexter Lift Kit K71-707-02.
Like Troutboy, I could not get the Airstream service in Denver (Windxxx) to even return a phone call. I purchased the Bambi from them, and after that experience, went to Boise and purchased the 23FB from Airstream Adventures Northwest.
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I have a 2017 19 Flying cloud and am considering a lift. How difficult was doing the lift on your 19 and were you satisfied with the result?
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08-14-2021, 09:53 AM
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2004 25' Safari
Central Valley
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ronyx
I have a 2017 19 Flying cloud and am considering a lift. How difficult was doing the lift on your 19 and were you satisfied with the result?
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Me and DW did ours in my shop (a level driveway would be fine too) and while there were some parts that were awkward (balancing the axle on a floor jack with a 2x6 while I reamed the frame holes - our '04 has henschel axles) it is definitely doable... GMFL's post is pretty good, as are several of the others...One thing to keep in mind is the propane lines and rerouting them around the spacers (hopefully AS left you plenty of slack)...also length of the electric brake wires... Finally, I was not able to re-use the shocks because of interference with the frame bolts...
One last recommendation is to mark the fasteners so as you get back on the road you can inspect the newly installed bolts every 150 miles or so and make sure they aren't moving around on you...
All in all though, well worth the time and effort... We have towed over 750 mi. since the lift and have had no issues...
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03-03-2022, 09:32 AM
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New Member
ROCHESTER HILLS
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sheriff1
Just my personal phobia but I would never crawl under anything supported by jacks. Leave the wheels on one axle with a couple of 2x8 under the tires, well blocked to prevent rolling and work on the other axle. I had a friend killed when a hydraulic floor jack failed and the car crushed him.
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I wouldn't call that a personal phobia. It's insane to get under a load supported by a hydraulic jack, either as the primary means of support or even as the back up. When temporarily raising a vehicle to perform work on it, use well constructed jack stands with a rating significantly higher than the load being lifted, or construct cribbing if you understand how to do that. Use a backup system of jackstands in case the primary support system fails. Only use the lifting jack to raise the vehicle, for placement of the jackstands and always plan for the hydraulic jack to fail at any time. Never get your body or even limbs under the vehicle without having a protected crush proof space. If you're pulling the wheels off of a vehicle, slide those underneath as well to provide a tertiary backup. And always be aware of shifting weigth distribution issues if you are removing or installing heavy components. That action can easily de-stabilize a previously stable support system.
Work smart and always error on the side of excessive caution. Think it through. If that wimpy little Chinese tin stand tips over in the mud, am I dead?
Stay safe
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03-03-2022, 02:49 PM
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#77
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Rivet Master
2013 31' Classic
billings
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I did mine….myself…easier to do 1 axle at a time…that way there is no danger of anything falling on you…I would not get under a trailer held up by jacks…it could shorten ones life very quickly
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03-03-2022, 09:39 PM
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#78
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Rivet Master
2007 22' International CCD
Corona
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Dexter Lift Kit on 2017 Flying Cloud 23D
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