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Old 09-08-2019, 10:35 AM   #1
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Conestoga Wagon Camping versus Airstream Boondocking

I have to sit back and just chuckle at the fringe elements that consider ANY place you park for an evening or a month... is Boondocking. My back yard obviously fits that definition...if I moved our 27 foot International about 35 feet to the North, out of our RV garage's rear exit. Or parked on the street. I would have a beautiful view of Lake Mead and the mountains surrounding our home.

Boondocking: Boondocking is essentially camping without hookups. You may also hear it referred to as 'dry camping'. Often, dry camping means staying in a campground without hookups, whereas, boondocking typically means staying in a completely undeveloped area.Mar 29, 2011 (Google Defintion)

Soft Boondocking is a National Forest Service, BLM, State, County, City, Town campsite. I say soft because this is not Boondocking. The word has been adulterated into a non meaning term to fit a RV Park with flushing toilets, mirrors over the sinks... kind of camping. Maybe a swimming pool and laundry service, tossed in for the fragile campers.

One post on a Thread has no idea of City Camping versus Undeveloped.

This is like having the OSHA Cowboy wearing safety gear so not to get hurt at a Rodeo or while working at a Ranch. A total fabrication of misinformed individual(s). I had to explain this to a High School gymnasium full of upset Ranchers in Newcastle, Wyoming in 1970. I was a ripe old 20 year old that could handle a rowdy crowd of Independent People.

Much like Off the Grid Boondockers. Not idiots as some want to believe.

If you use a SheepHerder's Wagon, a camper on a pickup truck or an Airstream... the definition does not change. Go back and read this definition, again.

They imagine dumping Black Water sewage down pits, and fouling Rivers and Lakes as the locations Airstream Boondockers frequent. Then dump their Grey and Blackwater into the river and lake for convenience.

These knuckle heads need to get a check up and an eye and head examination.

Some of us lived in Remote areas. No electricity, no running water, outside privies. I did as a youth in western Montana. I did not mind. We would go into town and managed to use the flushing toilet and not be tempted to drop our drawers alongside the driveway and walk off...

Some Forum Members just have nothing better to do and imagine what others do when they are actually so far into the 'bush', any direction is still remote.

Equate Tent camping, Sheepherder Wagons, Conestoga Wagons, Hunter's Camps and Off the Grid Boondocking as similar activities.

I entertained the idea that Airstream owners could adapt to change from a conventional Tea Service Camp Site to actual Boondocking where it can rain, snow, hail, sunny, cloudy, dust, wind. sunrise, sunset, trees, wild animals, snakes... things out of one's control... but to some weather should be avoided and managed.

Since I am not intending to write a book about REAL Boondocking to those who wear smoke jackets and jewelry camped in remote locations, like Palm Springs or a security patrolled RV Park with showers and a movie theatre... I will let others step in and finish what I have started.

Sometimes Black Water and Common Sense get confused. No wonder the peace and quiet of remote camping is so appealing. To pull out a lawn chair and be able to say... "This is what I have been living for after retirement."
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Unless you have about 10 oxen handy (and likely more sets as backups), your "Made in Lancaster PA" Conestoga wagon will have its own issues associated with it. Something a bit lighter seems to have been the more standard approach "back in the day".

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I had someone tell me that having an Airstream was not real camping then proceed to tell me about the enormous tent, oven and other camping accessories they own. All readily available at Dick’s.
So basically if you have matches your not roughing it enough. Camping is whatever you want it to be. An RV Park with nightly movies is paradise to some and awesome for kids. I have friends that were forced to “boondocks” with their parents as kids and hated every minute of it.
And by the way. When was the last time anyone saw someone wearing a smoking jacket in an RV Park or anywhere else for that matter?
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My favorite thing about RV Parks is that it never snows. Generally because I only go in the summer. Maybe the OP could recommend one that also never rains and perhaps serves a good Earl Grey that I could enjoy with my nightly Prince Albert.
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And by the way. When was the last time anyone saw someone wearing a smoking jacket in an RV Park or anywhere else for that matter?

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As I recall, the last time I was out with Ray, he was wearing a smoking jacket. I think he had gotten a little too close to the fire. He was easily doused with a bucket of water from the creek.
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As I recall, the last time I was out with Ray, he was wearing a smoking jacket. I think he had gotten a little too close to the fire. He was easily doused with a bucket of water from the creek.
Now that’s a “smoking jacket”. If you were in a RV Park you could have used a hose.
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As I recall, the last time I was out with Ray, he was wearing a smoking jacket. I think he had gotten a little too close to the fire. He was easily doused with a bucket of water from the creek.
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I was actually roasting chestnuts by the fire and my pants caught fire, I assume.

The smoking jacket was just an accident and it was my wet Levi Jacket drying out from the August 2016 Wyoming Adventure where it snowed, hailed, rained that afternoon. You know, the one with the round University of Wyoming patch on the shoulder I have owned since 1972 in Laramie and still fits. Maybe needs a washing, but it keeps flies, ticks and tourists away.

Brent... he is a hoot. The master map maker of Wyoming. His home is sitting on top of an Indian Military Fort. Some day... he will get a knock on his door and it will be Me, Nancy and the two Blue Heelers. Much like a Bad Dream repeating.

The two Blue Heelers will also 'thank you' for being so kind in their own way.
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How about camping in a U-Haul trailer?

So much in life is relative. I grew up on a ranch in Texas and married a Southern California beach girl, a very pretty beach girl. You would think that she was pretty fancy, and she was, on the surface. But when she was young her father worked as a California SP ranger and they lived in Borrego Springs. The only fancy thing there during her childhood was when the new A&W was built.

Short story to demonstrate the fiber of this women. Immediately after returning from our honeymoon we packed up a U-Haul trailer and set out from Newport Beach in California (very fancy) to move to Oregon (not so fancy). On the last night on the road, soon after crossing the Oregon state line, we were so low on funds that we didn’t want to spend money on a motel. So we pulled in behind a gas station in Canyonville, Oregon, emptied out most of the U-Haul, and slept in it.

Is that dry camping or boondocking?

That was 52 years ago and we’ve managed to move up to an Airstream.
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Unless you have about 10 oxen handy (and likely more sets as backups), your "Made in Lancaster PA" Conestoga wagon will have its own issues associated with it. Something a bit lighter seems to have been the more standard approach "back in the day".

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Oh yeah. Uncle Bob is a Eastern Hooter. Not the same as a Wyoming Hooter, of Brent sorts.

Unlike an Airstream, you cannot back up a Conestoga Wagon. No 'Rear End' view camera... Get it? Rear End view? Oh well.

Yes, I know. I should be working on my Airstream... but am still looking, other than lug nuts... nothing has caught fire or over heated.
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So much in life is relative. I grew up on a ranch in Texas and married a Southern California beach girl, a very pretty beach girl. You would think that she was pretty fancy, and she was, on the surface. But when she was young her father worked as a California SP ranger and they lived in Borrego Springs. The only fancy thing there during her childhood was when the new A&W was built.

Short story to demonstrate the fiber of this women. Immediately after returning from our honeymoon we packed up a U-Haul trailer and set out from Newport Beach in California (very fancy) to move to Oregon (not so fancy). On the last night on the road, soon after crossing the Oregon state line, we were so low on funds that we didn’t want to spend money on a motel. So we pulled in behind a gas station in Canyonville, Oregon, emptied out most of the U-Haul, and slept in it.

Is that dry camping or boondocking?

That was 52 years ago and we’ve managed to move up to an Airstream.
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John... I think you were one sly old fox to pull this one on your Bride. Good for you. Never tried that as an excuse.

It was neither. You did not mention if it was raining or not. If it was raining... Boondocking. If not... you sly old fox, you.
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One does not need to have an Airstream to overdo things....

Once upon a time, back when we lived in Kansas, we were out with the full spread of tents and a couple freinds. I suspect that got it up to four or five tents, depending on exactly when it was. We got talking to one of the families in a Class A up the hill. They commented that they usually felt like they were overdoing things a bit, but after seeing us set up, felt much better

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"Is that dry camping or boondocking?"

I think technically speaking, you were not really camping and you weren't really boondocking, I think that might be "dry docking"

Good story!

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Found your Conestoga Wagon!

Ray, a few weeks ago we stayed at Winding River Resort Campground inside Rocky Mountain National Park. While taking a walk around the place we stumbled across two Conestoga Wagons set up for camping. Maybe if I was younger it would be fun but I’m happy with our Airstream!
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There used to be a wagon train in Kansas. Travel like the pioneers and stay the night after a campfire sing along. They did have a honey wagon to meet environmental requirements.

Evidently, it still is available to those who desire the real experience. Pat

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The point is - the Conestoga really was not well adapted to western travel. It was to big and to heavy to "tow well" over the existing trails. It also required a large team to pull it and thus the "gas miles" were not in it's favor. It's real target was hauling freight over the mountains in PA where distances were a bit shorter, roads better (but still awful) and the volume of freight was (in it's day) pretty large.

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The AirPlane aluminum Trailer Patent

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The point is - the Conestoga really was not well adapted to western travel. It was to big and to heavy to "tow well" over the existing trails. It also required a large team to pull it and thus the "gas miles" were not in it's favor. It's real target was hauling freight over the mountains in PA where distances were a bit shorter, roads better (but still awful) and the volume of freight was (in it's day) pretty large.

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That is why we have a 27 footer.

Any Airstream in the 28 to 34 foot lengths are comparable to the fabled Two Story Conestoga Wagon. Same amount of wheels, more canvas than needed and more room than a family of eight need.

Nippy Byam Cornweller esquire of the 1840's, probably not related to anyone on this Forum with a similar name, came up with an idea of replacing the canvas with this new, expensive material called aluminum. At the end of the 18th Century, only the French Royalty could afford aluminum flatware as it was so expensive. Since it was light, it was less expensive than Silver flatware per ounce.

Aluminum was still too expensive up into the late 1920's.

Pewter was too heavy.

Chicken wire was not stiff enough.

It was eventually agreed to use Silver Paint, applied to canvas, creating 'hotter interiors' in the Summers and 'very cold interiors' in the Winters. It would be very visible, easy to see at a distance, have interiors made from spare furniture found where ever..., screwed together and barrels for water and food supplies.

The idea was so terrible, the Patent was passed down through the the Nippy Byam Cornweller family. Well Nippy's great, great grandson Nippy Wally Byam Cornweller Jr. took this exact Patent, removed parts from a salvaged B52 bomber and called it an AirPlane Trailer.

...and now you know the rest of the story. Whatever it is. First thing that comes to mind is Thalweg's 1962 AirPlane Trailer in Wyoming. A true rarity. Hot buns in the Summers and Cold buns in the winters as a Wyoming Hooter would say.

(After two hours playing Bingo for FREE, at a local Casino, Nancy won $167. Enough to build our own AirPlane Trailer. Beat that with a riveter.)
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That is why we have a 27 footer.

Any Airstream in the 28 to 34 foot lengths are comparable to the fabled Two Story Conestoga Wagon. Same amount of wheels, more canvas than needed and more room than a family of eight need.

Nippy Byam Cornweller esquire of the 1840's, probably not related to anyone on this Forum with a similar name, came up with an idea of replacing the canvas with this new, expensive material called aluminum. At the end of the 18th Century, only the French Royalty could afford aluminum flatware as it was so expensive. Since it was light, it was less expensive than Silver flatware per ounce.

Aluminum was still too expensive up into the late 1920's.

Pewter was too heavy.

Chicken wire was not stiff enough.

It was eventually agreed to use Silver Paint, applied to canvas, creating 'hotter interiors' in the Summers and 'very cold interiors' in the Winters. It would be very visible, easy to see at a distance, have interiors made from spare furniture found where ever..., screwed together and barrels for water and food supplies.

The idea was so terrible, the Patent was passed down through the the Nippy Byam Cornweller family. Well Nippy's great, great grandson Nippy Wally Byam Cornweller Jr. took this exact Patent, removed parts from a salvaged B52 bomber and called it an AirPlane Trailer.

...and now you know the rest of the story. Whatever it is. First thing that comes to mind is Thalweg's 1962 AirPlane Trailer in Wyoming. A true rarity. Hot buns in the Summers and Cold buns in the winters as a Wyoming Hooter would say.

(After two hours playing Bingo for FREE, at a local Casino, Nancy won $167. Enough to build our own AirPlane Trailer. Beat that with a riveter.)
Wasn't Nippy the first to conceive of using sawdust bound together with pine sap to make cabinetry for his Conestoga? I think he called it Practical Board or something like that.
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Nippy would be proud of you. Obviously for a family of five...not eight, though.
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