Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 03-28-2012, 05:30 PM   #1
Rivet Master
 
urnmor's Avatar
 
2012 25' Flying Cloud
Berlin , Maryland
Join Date: Jun 2011
Posts: 670
Camping in Bear country

I was just wondering what pre-cautions one takes when ASing in bear country. I am especially concern about food in the AS. When I tent camp I use to put it high in a tree in a container but now I use the refrigerator etc.

Thanks for any advice.

John
__________________

__________________
urnmor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-28-2012, 05:36 PM   #2
Rivet Master
 
JimGolden's Avatar
 
Vintage Kin Owner
1977 31' Excella 500
Berkeley Springs , West Virginia
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 1,416
Images: 7
Hi John,

There was a thread about a year ago that talked about this. One person said that they saw a Griz rip right through an Airstream to get at some goodies.

I would think that if the food was in your fridge, you'd be cool provided you used your fans to air out the smells of dinner. But you definitely need to bear in mind "pun intended " the big brown furry guys outside.

I would think whatever was smelly in the fridge would be OK, but anything smelly that you'd normally put in a pantry you might want to put in the tree.

Personally, I bought a S&W .500 just for camping in bear country. I'd rather pay the $20K fine than get eaten. But, if you use your "tent camping" precautions, you'd probably be fine.

See ya on the road,
__________________

__________________
- Jim
JimGolden is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-28-2012, 05:43 PM   #3
4 Rivet Member
 
Eric H's Avatar
 
1974 23' Safari
Vintage Kin Owner
1947 25' Spartan , Manor
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 455
Images: 9
What kind of bears are we talking about here? If I was in grizzly country I would put all the food in a tree or a bear box....no question. I alway feel better carrying bear pepper spray as well.
In black bear country I wouldn't worry very much about it, my guess is most would be too timid to really try and go after a trailer (I could be wrong though). This is just my opinion. A dog will keep em away as well.
__________________
Eric H is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-28-2012, 05:45 PM   #4
(formerly doug&maggie)
 
Lily&Me's Avatar

 
2006 22' Interstate
Normal , Illinois
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 5,092
Ohhh, don't get this group started on bears!

There really was a bear a couple of years ago that tore through the rear window of an Airstream trailer and seemed to be trying to get inside.

The woman (Carol), who was in bed at the time, was alerted by her two big labs, who then managed to scare the bear away and they escaped to her vehicle.

I believe her thought was the bear was after the peanut butter in the mouse traps.

The moral of the story: be very careful in bear country.


Maggie
__________________
Cherish and appreciate those you love. This moment could be your last.
Lily&Me is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-28-2012, 06:20 PM   #5
Rivet Master
 
jdalrymple's Avatar
 
2009 27' FB Flying Cloud
1991 35' Airstream 350
Siloam Springs , Arkansas
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 1,337
A good friend of mine spent a summer wrangling dudes. He was employed by a high-end dude ranch in Colorado.

One service offered to guests was an overnight trail ride. The folks rode out to a “chuck wagon”, had dinner, and spent the night in tents.

His best story was one of a wealthy patriarch who had paid for his adult children and grandchildren to enjoy a week at the ranch, and take in an overnight.

After a day’s ride, and a loud and busy supper, stories around the campfire turned to the possibility of a bear attack. The kids were wound up and not settling down. The long day was wearing on the “old man”, and when asked how to prevent a bear attack, the sage old gent suggested the kids pour the juice left in the hot dog packages from dinner on themselves. To insure the bears past over their tent, of course.

You know, because bears don’t like hot dogs.


Sounds like a sound theory to me, faced with the same circumstances.

Regards,

JD
__________________
Jeff & Cindy
Remi & Hunter
'09 27FB Flying Cloud
'91 350 LE MH
jdalrymple is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-28-2012, 07:05 PM   #6
Rivet Master
 
RangerJay's Avatar
 
2002 19' Bambi
Northwestern Ontario , Just above the big green spot
Join Date: Nov 2003
Posts: 629
Images: 44
Every public park or park system where there may be concerns about Bears will have information posted on their website. There will also be information available when you arrive - including the status of any current problems.

When camping in Bear country there is good reason to learn the rules and make sure you follow them - but there is no reason to be any more fearful than if you were crossing a busy city street at rush hour - in fact there is a lot less reason to be fearful .....

Enjoy your holiday.



Jay
__________________
Bambi - 2002 (The Toaster)
Pathfinder - 2009 (The Buggy)

"I'm not young enough to know everything ....."
(Oscar Wilde)
RangerJay is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-28-2012, 07:20 PM   #7
Rivet Master
 
Hibby's Avatar

 
2012 30' Flying Cloud
Grand Rabbits , Michigan
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 532
Images: 14
Bear spray is always a great line of defense, as is a firearm. Grizzly protection requires larger caliber rifles or shotguns; most handgun loads that will stop or even slow a grizzly have so much recoil that they are beyond the capability of most people. A 12 gauge shotgun with slugs is effective, relatively inexpensive, and more manageable than many options. I have a Marlin .45-70 guide rifle that is specifically for backup and defense when hunting in brown bear territory, but at higher cost.

If you choose to carry a firearm, you must be aware of laws in the various states in which you travel. You must also practice and become familiar with it...
__________________
Hibby
Hibby is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-28-2012, 07:36 PM   #8
Rivet Master

 
Southwestern , Ohio
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 1,436
Quote:
Originally Posted by JimGolden View Post
Personally, I bought a S&W .500 just for camping in bear country. I'd rather pay the $20K fine than get eaten. But, if you use your "tent camping" precautions, you'd probably be fine.
What $20K fine are you referring to? Most state parks, National Forests, and, since February 2010, National Parks, follow the governing state laws regarding firearms carry. So if the state that you are in allows open carry of a firearm, or if you have a concealed carry permit valid in that state, you're legal.

http://www.handgunlaw.us/documents/FAQ.pdf
.
__________________
Nuvite-F is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-28-2012, 07:44 PM   #9
4 Rivet Member
 
deauxrite's Avatar
 
2007 27' Safari FB SE
Full Timers just passing through , Arizona for a couple of weeks and then on to Utah!
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 324
We spend our summers in Alaska and have had black and grizzly bears in the campground nearly every summer. The best advice that I can offer is to cook outside as much as possible, store your food in your refrigerator (especially leftovers), take care with your pets and ALWAYS look outside before you start out the door. It is bad form to startle a bear that is hanging around your picnic table looking for scraps.
We did have a trailer broken into a couple of years ago. The door was open (screen door was closed) and the folks who lived there were not home. The black bear pretty well destroyed the kitchen and the screen door as well. He ate a loaf of bread that was on the counter.
__________________
Living life on the Road
deauxrite is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-28-2012, 08:03 PM   #10
Moderator
Commercial Member
 
eubank's Avatar
 
1967 30' Sovereign
Angel Fire , New Mexico
Join Date: Jan 2004
Posts: 5,876
Black bears are a bit of a nuisance here, too. Before the village built a real trash transfer station on the other side of the valley, they'd always come through the park headed for the open area where the village kept dumpsters. We had one that kept on trying to get into the house, and they were always trying to get into our dumpster here at the park. Argh.

Since then, though, we haven't seen much of them here since the transfer station no longer offers victuals: The whole thing is enclosed. They are a problem further down in town where the restaurants have their dumpsters if the village isn't aggressive about getting the dumpsters emptied daily.

The biggest bear problem, though, comes from the flatlander guests in rental/weekend properties in town who evidently think it's "neat" to feed the bears or to leave their hummingbird feeders out overnight. Duh!


Lynn
__________________
WBCCI 21043
eubank is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-29-2012, 10:14 AM   #11
2 Rivet Member
 
EricktheSOB's Avatar
 
Flora Vista , New Mexico
Join Date: Jun 2011
Posts: 59
ways to avoid wild animal predation of your person

There are several good ways to avoid predation. First dont leave food around. The fridge is probably good enough, or airtight coolers inside the truck. If nervous, in the tree is best. A bear in yellowstone learned how to break into cars and taught other bears how to jump up and down on teh roof to pop the doors. So they can get in. Keep the garbage away, and if possible, put it in the garbage cans nightly. Dont burn food or food remnants in the campfire. A dog or even a sufficiently aggressive housecat will usually run a bear off. Unless you are in Alaska, i doubt you will encounter a grizzly. If you are thinking firearm, a shotgun with buckshot or a slug.. the idea is to cripple it so you can outrun it. In that vein, if you are at a large campground, avoid messy neighbors... but hope there is one at the far end of the campground to attract hungry bears. Or you can do the following: The dog has a large hook on its collar. they both works ok for bears too.

Final way: have a camping buddy you can outrun.
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	lion.jpg
Views:	114
Size:	23.8 KB
ID:	154574   Click image for larger version

Name:	lions.jpg
Views:	104
Size:	30.1 KB
ID:	154575  

__________________
EricktheSOB is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-29-2012, 11:07 AM   #12
4 Rivet Member
 
2014 25' International
2006 23' Safari SE
Castle Rock , Colorado
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 415
Bear Country, USA

Here we go. Rattle snakes climbing up the AS stairs to bite intruders and Grizz that are roaming the back country to attack food stashes, refrigerators and people who are carrying an extra twenty pounds...

Yellowstone Park is a great place to be weary of bear. Glacial National Park is a great place to be weary of bear. Alaska is a great place to be weary of bear. Popular back country pack trails at National Parks are a great place to be weary of bear. Canada is a great place to be... looking for bear. Bear know where the easy pickings are to be found. Usually where there are tourists who do not police the area around the campsite, leaving food, trash and opportunity. Don't go over to see the cute bear cub stumbling around the thickets... or hugging a tree twenty feet from the ground... Mamma bear is near. Much like the cartoon character, Yogi Bear, these "tourist tame bear" are not afraid of people... those are the bear that are the biggest problem. Yes, I understand, I do not work the back country as a Bear Researcher... obviously you hear very little about one of those people getting attacked by any kind of bear. Maybe it is the little things that make a difference.

The millions of campers out each year return home without incident. Their cameras loaded for... bear. None to be found. Just police the camp site, remove your food scrap trash from the AS as often as possible, your vehicle is not a bear safe trash can and pick up around the camp site. An injured or sick bear is more of a risk than a 1200 pounder who is healthy. Many areas have bear hunting season and that is enough to restrain a bear from the scent of Man and Hot Dogs after being shot at a few times.

We have encountered black/brown bear in New Mexico, Wyoming, Montana and Idaho without incident. And some are big ones... They are not fond of a dog that looks menacing... or lots of noise coming out of the trailer. A bear will return most likely in the darkest hours of the evening.

Food up in a tree...? These guys are great tree climbers. Food hidden in the trailer... they can smell the BBQ grill miles down wind. Just be aware you are in bear country, keep alert to any notices by the Forest Service that bear have been spotted in the area and lay back to enjoy your trip. You have more risk at the "safe" campgrounds where a bear knows where a camper left his picnic supplies out on the table over night... and you happen to be the bear alert camper at the wrong place.

If you really want a scare. Watch the movie made some decades back about an oversized Grizz mauling and eating hikers in the back country. They ended up killing it with a bazooka or something like that. It had the same effect as Jaws and swimming in the ocean.

One last, I promise, story. We lived in a community of 1200 homes along the Front Range of Colorado, west of Denver. Friends went fishing in Canada and gave us some wonderful Salmon filets. We grilled them outside one evening and must have alerted every brown bear in the county to check it out... Bear are not quiet when they arrive or when they leave. A bear can jump up a tiered six foot retaining wall with all its fat, rolling back and forth as it goes off into the forest. Look at stubs of branches along a trail for "bear hair" as they like to scratch their itches on these stubs they can get to... Barb wire fences... Be alert, smart about bear and they will avoid you more than you will want to avoid them.
__________________
Ray Eklund is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-29-2012, 12:53 PM   #13
Rivet Master
 
1981 31' Excella II
New Market , Alabama
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 4,602
What if you paint a HUGH bear on the side of your Airstream to scare the bear. A 50cal might do the trick.

Perry
__________________
perryg114 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-29-2012, 12:57 PM   #14
Rivet Master
 
ZoominC6's Avatar
 
2004 30' Classic Slideout
College Town USA , Virginia
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 1,500
Lots of good comments here.
Should you be visiting a national park, say Grand Teton or Yellowstone, you'll get plenty of literature and enforcement of their bear policy. They will fine you at the drop of a hat for violations.
Having said that; common sense first but barring that, no BBQ grilles left outside, put them in the truck. Absolutely no coolers with or without food left outdoors, put them in the truck. Clean up constantly outdoors. When hiking, make noise by talking or wearing bells, anything not to surprise a Grizz or black bear with cubs. Keep your pets managed at all times if allowed at all in the area you visit. Carry spray specifically intended to repell bears. The little personal defense canisters won't cut it. Purchase the large canisters with large nozzles that spray a heavy stream that won't be affected by a light breeze. Test fire them. The ones you purchase will come in a holster you can carry on your belt or pack webbing for quick access. We've carried these all through bear country while fly fishing the skinny waters in back country. Did I mention, make noise while hiking? Should you be proficient with firearms and should it be legal, by all means carry and if you're proficient you'll know just what to carry. If you have no clue, don't just piss off a bear by stinging him. Be aware by inquiring of the locals before you get into bear country. You can learn a wealth of current information from just beginning a conversation with the locals. A couple of summers back it was definitely the year of the Grizz in Yellowstone and we saw them everywhere yet we had no problems. Did I mention, make noise while hiking? Have fun and be bear aware.
__________________

__________________
In dog years, I'm dead!
ZoominC6 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Leaks and Floor Rot in '91 34' Limited Steve Bryant Repairing/Replacing Floor &/or Frame 373 08-31-2014 11:47 AM
Free Kindle book: How NOT to RV; The RVers Guide to RVing in the Absurd eubank Fun & Games 8 05-10-2012 06:22 AM
Sex in an Airstream Fly at Night Fun & Games 686 05-01-2012 05:44 PM
Stolen in Seattle Area - Brand New 31 foot Airstream! Airstreamnw Our Community 47 03-28-2012 05:35 PM
I want to die in my sleep like grandpa, not screaming like everyone else in the car Kittypuke On The Road... 4 03-28-2012 07:36 AM





All times are GMT -6. The time now is 04:06 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.

Airstream is a registered trademark of Airstream Inc. All rights reserved. Airstream trademark used under license to Social Knowledge LLC.
Modal Click