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Old 03-09-2008, 08:52 AM   #85
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So besides the option of being armed, for the meek sheep here, has anyone employed tactical applications and or carried any deterrents or any other devices of defense? I'd especially be interested in hearing from more women.
Carol, this is Phil. Thanks for asking. Maybe some other members will also answer. This is a good question.

In Roam Sweet Home, there is a segment on a women's rally that the leader talks about this. She suggests several things I thought were excellent.
1. Get a pair of LARGE men's boots (like mudders, or something that wouldn't be used inside), and leave them outside the door of your RV when camping/boondocking.
2. Anytime you leave the trailer/motorhome, lean back inside and scream out (even when traveling alone) "Next time you can do this!" (someone in the peanut gallery added "ya big lug")
3. Get an oversized dog bowl (or set) and place them just outside your door.
4. Place a man's hat on the dashboard.
These were suggested so that observers might be fooled into believing that there are others in your party.

Now, for some thoughts that you made me think of: I am a "sheep" in this context, and depend on avoidance and opportunity-limitations (limit opportunities for wolves) to minimize conflict. For example, I feel that well-lit areas are less desirable for undesirables to do their work, and we almost always have dogs with us.

In reflecting on this, I am thinking about getting an air horn for us to carry, since attention is also a deterrent. I have seen what guns can do, and hope to never be involved with another weapons discharge. Unfortunately, that limits what I can do in response to a threat (real or perceived), but I can live with that much better than living with the results of a firearm either to the perp, or even worse, to an innocent bystander/friend/family member.

Also, since I do not have the training/mindset, and, in actuality, might not be able to use it (that is, dispense the grief and create the horrific end results), a firearm in my possession might turn into a weapon used against me. Bad guys do not usually care that grief and permanent memories are being forced upon their victims, but I do. Who knows, the perp might be a kid who has been steered the wrong way and has no bodily harm in mind; maybe just wants some money for drugs.

I am not against guns, but there is a responsibility with any action, and this is no different. There are also consequences that some heads-in-the-sand folk might ignore, but it's real. And the fact that bad people are out there is also real, but (as pointed out earlier) thankfully statistically small. Deterrents and avoidance seem to me to be one approach, and making yourself a more difficult target seems to be advantageous.

Hopefully, more ideas can be shared about your question too.
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Old 03-09-2008, 09:27 AM   #86
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Deterrents and avoidance seem to me to be one approach, and making yourself a more difficult target seems to be advantageous.
Phil, deterrents and avoidance are always good tactics. No intelligent person ever goes spoiling for a fight. To make yourself as small a target as possible is wise. To do "target hardening" such as the things you suggest in your post are also fine ideas, and may in fact lessen the odds of you being victimized if at that time, the person who wants to victimize you is intimidated by those things. When the wolf finds you, is not intimidated by the camoflage, and comes calling despite your best attempts at camoflage and avoidance, your best efforts there are no longer of value, and will not protect you.

Also, possession of the most devastating weapon in the world is also of no value if you are psychololgically unwilling or unable to deploy it. In fact, I can guarantee you that if you deployed any kind of weapon against me, and you hesitated using it for just an instant, it will become my weapon and I will use it against you. That was what Craig alluded to in his post.

This is an interesting society we have, and the judicial system is predicated on the premise that ten guilty should go free rather than one innocent be convicted. We (government) are Constitutionally prohibited from acting on behalf of the People until a crime has been committed. The government can't act on what it presumes a person might do, an act must be committed for the justice system to kick in. Further, government doesn't act on your behalf as a victim; it seeks to find the perpetrator to ensure the safety of the society, so that they may not victimize other individuals... hence all criminal indictments start out "State of xxxx vs. John Doe" rather than "You vs. John Doe."

What all this means is that in our society, you and you alone are responsible for your safety and the safety of your friends and family. Government will come along after the fact and pick up the pieces and see if we can find and prosecute the bad guys, but you still have to be a victim first.

Another key issue to remember if you're in a position to be victimized is that you didn't make the choices to put yourself there; the crook confronting you made those choices. If the choice he made is tragic for himself and his family, I truly empathize with them, but you shouldn't feel any less empathic toward yourself or your family. He may be some stupid kid looking for drug money, but if he's looking for drug money from me, he made a bad decision, and if he compounds that bad decision further that's his problem, not mine. Feel sorry for him, but not to the point that you allow him to hurt you.

So, past avoidance and camoflage as discussed, my counsel is that there is no "magic" system, weapon, trick, or tactic that will keep you safe from predators. There's no substitute for personal mental and physical preparation if the wolf comes calling.
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Old 03-09-2008, 11:07 AM   #87
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WOW. Thanks, Dave, Phil and Roger, those are some wonderful posts! I am going to be thinking about those tips and try to get them down pat. All super ideas that I think I personally could realistically employ.

Sprays and horns, being cognizant and alert, improvised weapons such as the magazine and some forethought on quick actions in a bad situation or avoidance if possible are good to have in mind. This thread has been a great reminder to potential dangers and preparation, and mental preparedness. Having been fortunate in the past we might be prone to forget. Thank you for addressing these serious issues with practical wisdom and sharing this information.

I never would have thought that the heavy camera around my neck and the hot coffee which are usually my constants btw, could be employed to defend myself. I like the use of improvised defensive/offensive weapons and the tactics mentioned such as taking advantage of distraction. These kinds of things are better utilized by me because I wouldn't want to run the risk of esculating the situation with a visible weapon threat where I would be outmatched and hesitant and the worse for that particular tactic.

I am printing these up as a physical reminder so I don't get lulled into forgetting and not keeping ever vigilant. Perhaps I'll carry it and others right in my checklists and try becoming as small a target as possible and use my sixth sense.

Those Roam Sweet Roam ideas are fantastic as well. Thanks for sharing that. To add to those, one woman told me once that she carries a long empty gun case in the back of her vehicle and takes it out and replaces it in full view of her neighbors on occassion...(though I have never seen one) Another, before todays heavy usage of cell phones was to just pick up her non-working phone in a deliberate manner and hold it to her ear and talk as if calling for help when she felt she was attracting unwanted attention that could be a threat. I am definitely going to get the dog bigger dishes and find a hat or boots, easily done and effective. When I walk to my truck I walk purposefully and I carry my keys in hand, same for entering the the trailer and sometimes with a couple placed between my fingers.

Thanks all, and hope these ideas keep coming in. These ideas are too good and too important not to share. Good thread.
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Getting back to what I believe was the original question, if I carry a firearm while boondocking, it would be a rifle, as I would tend to be in more danger from the wildlife, than vermin of the two legged variety. I do have other implements of destruction at my disposal, but find I would have more use for them in a more urban environment (aka campground).
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Old 03-09-2008, 12:51 PM   #89
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I also worked in the Federal sector. Although I wasn't an actual law enforcement officer, I carried a law enforcement ID (black book) because of the nature of my job. Whenever I flew for work, I had to show that ID when boarding a plane.

The first time I was asked if I was carrying I had a puzzled look on my face (what the heck would I be carrying, anyhow?) The gate agent looked at me again and said "sir, are you armed?" I looked at her and said, "yes, I have two of them." That was the wrong thing to say!
Yes, I know I carried something similar. After Katrina I worked in a temporary compound made up of tents known as ICE TOWN. Everyone was armed, including long guns. I was armed with a laptop. It just didn't seem fair.
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I was armed with a laptop. It just didn't seem fair.
A laptop will make quite a dent in someone's head if deployed properly.
My last one made quite a dent in my foot when I dropped it...
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Old 03-09-2008, 01:01 PM   #91
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A laptop will make quite a dent in someone's head if deployed properly.
My last one made quite a dent in my foot when I dropped it...
It would be a lot better if I could throw it at 830 feet per second, I don't plan to let someone get close enough to hit them in the head with a laptop. But it could be plan B. Distance is your friend.
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My wife has a 2 shot pepper spray that she carries... I thought about getting one of those signs that says "I shot first and ask questions later" I have a 2.5 and 5.5 year old so the guns have stayed at home so far. I always feel safe for some reason... I leave my front doors unlocked most of the time,, My wife locks them after me I think. Get locked out sometimes...

Guess I'm a little to trusting....

But I do have a dead bolt on the airstream...
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