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Old 07-18-2016, 02:56 PM   #365
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So, if anyone is interested, I can bring fruitwoods--apple, pear, cherry, plum plus herbs.
Never, ever transport firewood from one area to another!! There is always a chance it will spread a pest or disease,
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Old 07-18-2016, 03:12 PM   #366
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Drat!! If that don't rain on my BBQ.

If fires are still permitted in official campgrounds, perhaps we can get a site in the Double Cabin campground?

Thanks for the heads up Thalweg, I'll check fire weather prior to loading the truck. More room for rocks, I suppose.
Check here before you head out. Currently, it doesn't look like Shoshone NF has any restrictions. But that could change in the next month.
http://www.wy.blm.gov/wy_fire_restrictions/

It looks like things may not as bad in other parts of the state as I previously said. We're having fires pop up nearly every day in our neck of the woods. But apparently other areas may be better off. Maybe you'll get lucky.
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Old 07-18-2016, 03:29 PM   #367
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Map Correction

I made a typo on the Map Titled "Hwy 189 to Granite Creek Road". The waypoint for the Granite Creek Road turnoff should be 43.2830, -110.5332. See you soon.

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Old 07-18-2016, 04:15 PM   #368
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Never, ever transport firewood from one area to another!! There is always a chance it will spread a pest or disease,
Good observation. Many national park camp grounds and national forests have rules against bringing in firewood from other areas. They usually sell it at the camp stores or at the camp host station.
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Old 07-18-2016, 05:57 PM   #369
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What about fire on a raised steel platform a la dutch oven work bench?
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What about fire on a raised steel platform a la dutch oven work bench?
For the most part, every jurisdiction, whether it be the county or the land management agency, sets the fire standards according to the severity of the hazard. Sometimes it isn't too big of an inconvenience. However, a few years ago, they were very restrictive. As I recall, you couldn't even use a propane stove outside, except in designated campsites. I think they even banned smoking outdoors in some of the forests. It shouldn't be that bad this year. We got good spring moisture, but it's been pretty dry in most of the state for the last month or so. In most years, if they were going to have highly restrictive fire standards, we'd already be in them by mid July. That's not the case right now. So, I'd bet there will be fire restrictions everywhere the Wyoming Adventure is going, but it may not be too bad.
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Good News... and then again, Good News.

There is an established campground at Double Cabin with fire pits. This is the Good News.

You cannot pull an Airstream into it as it was designed for tent campers back when tent camping was the best one could do.

The other Good News is that there are well used fire pits where we will be camped. Some times the outfitters will invite everyone over to their camp and socialize with everyone after a long excursion between Double Cabin to the Tetons or Yellowstone. Always an interesting bunch. You will know how many weeks they were out as your nose will sense it in the air...

The Camp Host is camped, usually, on the LEFT side as you enter this large open area.

There are several dumpsters for the Camp Site where you pay. There is water available in the same area. If I use either, I stick $5/$10 in an envelope to thank them for the service. We are outside the pay area, although I am always generous to support the site's wonderful amenities.

There is a modern Pit House for his and her restrooms at the site we will be parked. Concrete with the large vent which makes it a good option to your trailer.

There are Bear in this area and other large and small furry mammals. Watch for posted signs/notices on the Pit House and some trees if there is a Problem Bear in the area. Often it is just a reminder not to do stupid things to attract hungry carnivores. You, your pet and your neighbor depend on your smart Off the Grid camping routines.

Nancy and/or I do carry a side arms when on the hiking trails. A sturdy walking stick is a very good option if you are fire arm sensitive. You need to protect yourself, if ever necessary. There are NO employed people at any of these sites to protect you. It is a 'you are on your own' camping trip.

Considering this area is clear of most pine at the campsite, the Camp Host will be the first to inquire about campfires. Even though you see others with a fire... it does not mean they asked or know any more than you. There are regular Forest Service vehicles that get a count on how many campers are in the area and can be asked about anything, unusual... going on in the area.

At this area if there are pack horses and mules, you will have to restrain your dogs. Otherwise, our experience is like other Off the Grid sites and just keep your dogs under some form of control. The other sites are totally Off the Grid and the people must be restrained and let their dogs run loose.

If you want to watch a horse or mule discourage a dog nipping at its hind quarters... measure the distance in tens of feet or more before 'fido' lands on a firm ground. These are not the mares that accept anything from anyone at a tourist pony ride at a Dude Ranch.
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Good News... and then again, Good News.

There is an established campground at Double Cabin with fire pits. This is the Good News.

Well that is Good News!! Ray, thanks for providing the details on Double Cabin's amenities.

Thanks Wayne&Sam for your blunt precaution about firewood transport. I wasn't thinking this was an issue as my area is not a known infestation site for any of the wood pests used to justify the firewood import restriction.

I may bring a pellet fired BBQ instead of wood. The fire box is fully contained so not an open flame device like a propane or white gas cook stove.
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A wildfire was reported just west of Dubois yesterday (between Dubois and Teton National Park). It's only about 400 acres so far, but we're getting smoke in Buffalo from it.

Here is the incident summary:
Lava Mountain Fire is burning northwest of Dubois on the Wind River Ranger District of the Shoshone National Forest and is active in thick timber. Yesterday, with increased temperatures and wind, we saw more active fire behavior causing short fire runs and single and group tree torching. Aerial resources utilized water drops and fire retardant to slow the fire growth and provide a more defensible space between the active fire and the structures. On the ground, firefighters used point zone protection tactics to increase protections along the private property in the valley. An infrared flight was conducted last night and provided a more accurate size. As of 0600, July 19th, the fire is estimated at 441 acres.
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Uh-oh.

Fire near Granite Creek
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I had breakfast this week with a friend who just returned from Dubois and he fished at Double Cabin. He reported that two bears had recently been euthanized because of aggression (he didn't see any). He said that there were only two campers present; the fishing was good and the mosquitoes were terrible (he used skin so soft effectively).

I recommend bear spray over firearms.

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Lions, Tigers and Bears... oh my!

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October 3, 2014 Fremont County's Daily Newspaper

(2014)
-Grizzly bit man on side before being repelled by bear spray. Double Cabin area.
-Investigators believe this month's fatal bear attack north of Dubois took place where the body of Adam Stewart, 31, of Utah was found...
-The missing Utah man died last week after suffering a bear attack while working in....
-Ill mannered campers showed poor judgment and rude conduct camped...
-September 16, 2014... Did it freeze hard enough to end growing season?

-Bears can create conflicts after they have obtained food rewards. Wyoming Game and Fish continues to stress the importance of keeping attractants (food items, horse feeds, bird seed, and others) unavailable to bears.

Double Cabin Campground has 14 units, $15 per night. Maximum Spur is 32 feet. 8,053 feet elevation. http://www.fs.usda.gov/recarea/shosh...a/?recid=36447 (This is the campground, not our Base Camp site.)

-Double Cabin Campground... is open

-Newton Creek Campground is closed due to Grizzly Bear activity.

-Crazy Creek Campground... Grizzly bear activity, hard sided camping only...

-Newton Creek Campground... Grizzly bear activity, no tents or pop up campers.

-Threemile Campground... Grizzly bear activity, no tents or pop up campers.

-Eagle Creek Campground... Bear boxes available.

Wind River Ranger District office is located at 1403 West Ramshorn in Dubois, Wyoming. Telephone Shoshone National Forest office 307-527-6241

-The Shoshone National Forest is home to both Grizzly and Black Bear. Please Educate yourself about bears and the special precautions necessary when recreating in bear country.

All food and attractants, pop, beer, canned goods, toothpaste, lip balm, game meat, garbage, dog food, livestock feed, etc. need to be suspended at least 10 feet high and 4 feet from a post or tree or stored inside a vehicle, bear-resistant container, or hard-sided trailer. Please contact the nearest ranger district office for more information.
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The above is for those who dream of meeting a Wyoming Bear on this Adventure.

Think before being critical of those who have spent a lot of time among the forests. Their advice could be the difference between a good experience and doing something that endangers everyone who is paying attention. And please... bring a compass.

If you search the internet, please report the bear issues for 2016 as reported on a previous post. I looked and was unable to find anything to report. Most of this information may or may not even be current... just a sprinkling of information to get you curious enough to do some research.

Wyoming is not a big Petting Zoo. There are real live furry things in the deep forest and Big Foot is not one of them.

Listen to those who are experienced on this Adventure and we will all be fine and safe. Sometimes Bear Spray can be effective, but possibly not enough for the Utah victim. Nobody practices at a Bear Spray Range to practice techniques and have the patience to wait... for that right moment, while the bear is close enough and within range of that 12 ounce+ can.
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If anyone gets to Laramie early and wants to come help polish a 53 FC, I live about a ten min walk from the prison... Bring your own rotary tool! Heck, skip the rally, camp on my street for a few weeks and we'll get it all sorted out fast!
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Sometimes Bear Spray can be effective, but possibly not enough for the Utah victim. Nobody practices at a Bear Spray Range to practice techniques and have the patience to wait... for that right moment, while the bear is close enough and within range of that 12 ounce+ can.
Nothing is guaranteed, but spray is statistically more effective than a gun.
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