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Old 05-22-2016, 12:23 PM   #295
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Not to worry. I'm sure Ray has a plan to deal with the skeeters. It will probably involve sitting around a campfire with a bottle, telling stories:

"I remember back in nought-six, the skeeters were so big, they carried ol-blue out of camp and dropped him out in the crik..... "

"back in nought-four, the harse flies were so bad, I had to rassle a half ton grizz for the smokey spot just downwind of the campfare..."
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Old 05-22-2016, 12:27 PM   #296
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I love campfires, so I hope we're able to have lots.

I made a couple of large, citronella-based soy candles that are pretty darned effective.

I set one just to the right of my chair, the other just to the left, and I am in a protected haze.

May make a couple of extra for this trip, and stash them away in case we need them.


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Old 05-22-2016, 12:32 PM   #297
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Not to worry. I'm sure Ray has a plan to deal with the skeeters. It will probably involve sitting around a campfire with a bottle, telling stories:

"I remember back in nought-six, the skeeters were so big, they carried ol-blue out of camp and dropped him out in the crik..... "

"back in nought-four, the harse flies were so bad, I had to rassle a half ton grizz for the smokey spot just downwind of the campfare..."
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Old 05-22-2016, 01:13 PM   #298
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Even Santa has his bad side...

Thalweg... did you know that bacon grease poured around your trailer attracts 'Hungarian' Black and Grizzly Bears?

I know someone from Tucson, Arizona who will do it for me, too. He had some practice at Quemado and wondered where his door was later that afternoon.

Your stealing material out of my 'Tales of a Youngster in a Covered Aluminum Wagon 1856'.

Maggie... use the candles in your RV. When Thalweg is arm wrestling a bear, you will be inside your Interstate taking videos. Tiki Torches are worthless, as well. By sunset no one will have enough energy to stay up after digging your Interstate out of the Moose Bog.
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Old 05-23-2016, 03:58 AM   #299
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No Hungarian Bears nor Moose Bogs exist

After thinking about Post #298, it seemed rather... real.

There are no Hungarian Bear in Wyoming and a Moose Bog is total fiction, but sounds possible... is campfire talk... like we had back in seventy-four north of Jeffery City, Wyoming dry camped just on the edge of the Granite Mountains...

'Snipe hunting' in Missouri. If you had the kids involved in that to wear them down after having too much sugar in their diet after a Birthday Party. Snipe are imaginary birds to be caught in a large sack using a stick to make noise in it to attract these birds...

Before we all travel into the Back Country of DuBois and Lander, we will have a little discussion on what to expect. I have to apologize in a way, as those of us that have spent some time together Off the Grid try to come up with tales that have 'some truth, but meant to educate' and get people to think. Which, at times with knitting a yarn... I need to be more careful. Some may think I am reporting actual newspaper articles of years past.

We are fortunate that we are not camped Off the Grid, or even at a well populated campsite at or even near Yellowstone Park. There, stupidity reins king. Western Montana, Idaho and the forests of Oregon and Washington also deserve respect when camped among... those who do not understand the Forest and its inhabitants.

Bring a dependable DEET formula spray or oil to deter mosquitos. Not that they will be a problem, they can. You do not need any, unless there are mosquitos. The wetter Spring months can be an issue, but in August, not as much.

We will discuss Bear that inhabit higher elevations and lucky for us, a group of campers and dogs deter Bear from camps. The areas we will find ourselves have hunters, while at Yellowstone they have... Bear Feeders camped near the Park. Totally different environments.

At Double Cabin if there are any sightings of Black or Brown Bear, it will be posted by the Camp Host or National Forest Service. There will be obvious things you do not do, like leave a table of food out overnight. The 'tourist' errors at Yellowstone you may read about in the newspaper.

That is the mention of Bear opening car doors with windows down slightly for venting, but the doughnuts are too tempting for Bear.

We have encountered Black Bear in Idaho and Montana. Dense forests of Montana and more remote locations in Idaho. None where we are going to be camped. I do not want to alarm anyone when discussing things that go 'bump in the night', but it is intended to get your attention.
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Old 05-23-2016, 04:10 AM   #300
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Are there any preventative measures that can be taken while we are in the back country, camped?

-Dump your last trash in town when we leave for the Back Country.

-When we are in wooded areas, keep food and trash in the trailer or back of tow vehicle. Never outside.

-Bacon Grease scent travels far and wide. But so does your sweat in the meadows.

-Campfire smoke will deter insects as good as anything you can purchase.

-Carrying a side arm while hiking in the wooded areas is a good idea. The noise of firing one round into the air will deter a Black Bear if you feel threatened. You need not need a side arm yourself, as there will be those that do regularly in these areas, as well as other campers in these areas.

I will tone down the rhetoric as some might take it wrong. After this trip, those who have not experienced Off the Grid in the West... you will understand and feel comfortable by yourself on future trips.

Trashy camp sites attracts wildlife. You may find those campers from outside our group near popular tourist camps. Where we will be are the kind of Off the Grid campers YOU want to imitate and become. Those of us experienced in this sort of camping will try to be polite and mention quietly to those that need to change some habits, if necessary. Do not take it personally. There is much to learn by myself and less experienced Rocky Mountain campers.

Sometimes a fertile imagination is great for magazines and newsprint, but tossed around as idle horse play, may sound a bit too real. Myself included.
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All this talk of bears made me think back to a black bear my wife and I encountered in a relatively rural area of New Jersey. That bear was easily two times my size and we noticed it when we were less than 100 feet away. We stopped in our tracks, turned around slowly and quickly walked the other way! Don't know if that's the best answer but it worked in this case.

And it reminds me of the old joke... you don't have to outrun the bear, just outrun your friend!
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Old 05-23-2016, 06:39 AM   #302
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Reminds me of the tale of the lady who carried a .22 revolver for bear defence. When asked if she thought that that was adequate she replied, "Just kneecap the most obnoxious person in the group and then run. No need to harm the bear."
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Well, then...I guess I'll leave the 22 at home and bring the 38 instead.! Does a bear know the meaning of a laser pointed "red dot" on it's nose?.....or must I explain it to him? If I do, will he run away? Just asking for clarification.....it is wise to be fully prepared, don't cha' know?!
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Old 05-25-2016, 11:18 AM   #304
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Reread Post #205 on the Sunday August 14 departure at 9AM

This Thread is getting a bit bulky with posts and some members might have forgotten much of the information from the beginning to the end.

I was 'reminded to remind' everyone that are on the 'list' to go back to Post #205.

If EVERYONE is at Laramie, WY to tour the Territorial Prison on Saturday August 13th or arrive that evening... the plan IS TO DEPART Laramie on Sunday August 14th at 9AM to Beaver Divide. We will gain one day leaving on Sunday, rather than Monday August 15th.

If EVERYONE is accounted for on Saturday, August 13th... and early enough to depart Laramie... ONE and a HALF days can be gained to be put to better use than pacing the pavement in a parking lot.

- PLAN to depart on Sunday August 14th at 9AM.

- IF everyone is accounted for by Saturday, NOON, August 13th... and anxious to get on the road... great. Some individuals might be a bit nervous about 'Custer Decisions' but you might have to get adjusted to that reality once in the mountains. Things change for good reason.

Go back to Post #262 and if you are on this list... Email boondockingairstream@gmail.com which day YOU plan on arriving at Laramie, Wyoming.

Which day are YOU planning on arriving? Saturday August 13th or early enough to catch the Caravan by 9AM Sunday August 14th?

The DATE TO DEPART:
Sunday, August 14th, 9AM to Beaver Divide to begin the Adventure

For anyone who is not able to arrive on time... GOOD LUCK. Finding a group of Airstream trailers in this part of Wyoming will be easy to find.

Again: August 14th, Sunday, Departing at 9AM. Rain, Shine, Sleet, Solar Eclipse, Earthquake, Parade blocking road to Prison, Lost, Confused, Need better directions, Map, GPS not working... Sorry.

Myself. Mentally I have been on this Adventure several times and am anxious to see what kind of trouble awaits us just leaving Laramie! Those who live in Wyoming understand that in many places of the World the weather changes from day to day. Wyoming... the CLIMATE can change from day to day.
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We plan to arrive Saturday August 13th, following Thalweg down, so whatever time he estimates.....


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Old 05-25-2016, 11:42 AM   #306
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I note that Prickly Pear cancelled May 21, 2016.

I read the latest email from Prickly Pair and am looking forward to finding both of you in 2017 Colorado High Country.

The list posted was on May 20, 2016 and my current roster is now updated.
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Bummer, Prickly Pear!


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We'll be there on Saturday. Probably not by noon though. We'd have to be on the road by about 6:00 AM to do that, and I'd be in big trouble if I suggested such an outlandish thing. I wouldn't want to start out on the trip already in trouble. Give me a couple of hours for that.
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