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Old 06-26-2014, 09:45 PM   #15
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Actually - rodsterinfl has something there. :-)


I think it would be hard to get Curtis/alien with rounds. I love 'em though. I'm interested in seeing where you go with those!
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Old 07-07-2014, 11:23 PM   #16
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I am also going to go with port hole windows. I am looking for a spartan one too.
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Old 07-08-2014, 02:15 PM   #17
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Not to sound like a purist - it's your trailer, and gosh, my wife and I are making a lot of period correct but non-original changes to our '57.

That said, doing a mod this significant will cause you to:
1. lose quite a bit of lightness and brightness (in an already small trailer),
2. give up a lot of cross-breeze and ventilation from switching to fixed portholes, and,
3. seriously hack away at the value of this rare little guy, if that matters to you.

These are far and away the most prized models from that era. Again - may not matter to you. It's yours to play with.

My suggestion would be to consider installing these owl eyes into a matching aluminum insert: a plug that goes over the existing front window frame... and save any parts you remove so it could go back to stock in the future. You won't be replacing all the crown pieces anyhow, so those diagonal lines aren't going to all meet in the middle like the old Clippers anyhow. So why not make it reversible, maybe even hinged like a rock guard!?

I respectfully suggest that the next owner of your trailer (and they all eventually become someone else's) simply won't want what you're going to do to this trailer, regardless of how cool it turns out.

Again - all due respect intended. As an artist and outside-the-box thinker, I hate party poopers... just trying to make sure you consider the downsides of a pretty severe design change, that's all.
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I'll add that I would put a Spartan porthole in our door-within-a-door in a heartbeat, or a bathroom that didn't have a window. Somehow, neither of those options seem like such a dramatic shift from the original design, to me.

This one was done by Craig Dorsey of Vintage Vacations in a '61 GlobeTrotter.

http://www.vintage-vacations.com/DSC00529.jpg
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Does anyone have a spartan porthole?
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Thanks Bredlo, exactly the kind of tugs I was looking for when I asked the question: "What if I put in round windows"?

I have considered having less square inches of window, openness and sun light. I think I will try and compensate with a more "open" floor plan when I re-install the interior (not replace the floor-to-ceiling hang-up closet, and minimize the overhead cabinetry).

I had not considered cross ventilation, but my front door has a large square louvered window. Not sure if loosing the front window wings will have a big impact, but the ventilation will be missed.

The trade-off between "restoration" and "customization". In my case a restoration is out of the question. One man's customization almost certainly limits the pool of other potential owners. I do not plan to sell the project, but plans change as the years these projects take go by !!!
I WOULD DEFINATELY LIKE COMMENTS ON THIS ASPECT OF THE MOD

Currently I am into this modification for $50 for the 2 Spartan window frames. The .032 2024 T3 will be another $60 to cover the old window opening. I think I have figured out how I can rivet the Spartan window frames into the rectangle window cover material on my bench. Then I can hang the assembly one last time in the opening to see how it looks, what will be necessary to rivet the assembly to the current skin, and make the final decision to go, no-go.

All else aside, frankly my biggest concern is my ability to execute. It would be a completely unnecessary tragedy, if I were to start drilling holes and not have the skills, tools, or time to finish the job right.

I got started on this path trying for the sci-fi vibe, but would settle for a tip of the hat to the Nautilus look. The "owl eyes" look was unexpected and could be a deal killer. Worst case I am out $110, several evenings of musing & riveting, and perhaps have a nice flower planter for the house !!!
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One thing to consider, that I think many of us fall into on the first go around - certainly my wife and I qualify - is that we started out thinking we'll never get rid of this trailer. Why would we? It's our dream trailer - perfect, small, cute, and you can tuck the little thing anywhere.

This happened with our first Airstream - a 19 foot Globetrotter. We made big plans, towed it cross-country... and by the time we'd actually spent a couple weeks in it, we realized we didn't looove turning a sofa into a bed every night. We didn't neeeed the whole rear end cap dedicated as a bath and shower. We needed a bit more storage. A few more feet.

11 years later, we're halfway through a full renovation on a 22 foot 1950s model instead, with a small wet bath and full-time queen to fix our previous complaints. Even now, might we someday wish we'd sunk this time and energy into a 24 footer? Maybe. We think we've got the balance right for comfort and ease of towing... but who knows!

So, keep that in mind too. I don't know if this is your first Airstream... but they're kinda quirky! From one era to the next, and all the various layouts and dimensions? Definitely worth spending a few weekends in it before you break out the drill and tin snips, if possible.

Another observation - which isn't fun, because it would involve completely starting over - is that a steampunk Nautilus-themed trailer sounds awesome: but it could be a case of "more is better", in what you could achieve with 28 or 29 feet of submarine vs. 16. An old Sovereign or Overlander could be pretty sinister with riveted fins, a row of portholes... etc. Just stuff to think about.

Keep having fun!
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