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Old 10-30-2007, 05:45 PM   #253
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Do you mind saying what they charged for that?.... and their hourly rate?

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Old 10-30-2007, 06:16 PM   #254
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Do you mind saying what they charged for that?.... and their hourly rate?

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About $1680. All but $500 covered by USAA. I don't know the hourly rate, but the labor, if I recall correctly, was $960.
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I wish I could see an update on this project.
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About $1680. All but $500 covered by USAA. I don't know the hourly rate, but the labor, if I recall correctly, was $960.
That segment replacement should have cost no more than $1300.00, including freight and any sales tax, if there was freight.

Most dealers bring in such parts with a stock order, which then means "zero" freight.

Sorry.

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Old 08-28-2008, 12:21 AM   #257
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Rivet Size -- Skin Replacement -- 1965 Caravel

Does anyone know the rivet size used to hold the skin panels on a 1965 Caravel?

Ours appears to be smaller than 5/32.

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Does anyone know the rivet size used to hold the skin panels on a 1965 Caravel?

Ours appears to be smaller than 5/32.

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Airstream's are held together with 1/8 inch buck rivets.

After market panel replacements are done with Olympic rivets, which are 5/32 inch.

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Thanks -- not only for this answer, but for some of the best advice on this forum.

We have the interior skins off, so we'll buck with 5/32.

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Andy,

Thanks -- not only for this answer, but for some of the best advice on this forum.

We have the interior skins off, so we'll buck with 5/32.

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NO NO NO.

Buck with 1/8 only. That's how your trailer was made.

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But Andy, if the old 1/8" rivets were "drilled out", wouldn't the holes have been enlarged somewhat - making the 5/32" rivets warranted? The head size could still be the same, just the shank 1/32 bigger ~ makes sense to me.

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But Andy, if the old 1/8" rivets were "drilled out", wouldn't the holes have been enlarged somewhat - making the 5/32" rivets warranted? The head size could still be the same, just the shank 1/32 bigger ~ makes sense to me.

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Shari.

When you buck rivet, the shank fills the hole, even if it's oblong.

Second, anytime rivets are change out, on the exterior, a small coating of Vulkem should be put around the shank.

Third, if the rivets are bucked in place, then certainly the interior metal is not in place, therefore simply apply Vulkem sealer on the backside of the rivets, completely covering the exposed portion of the rivet shank.

I just went to Aircraft Spruce and they have the larger shank, same size rivet head. The only problem is that they are "gold" colored. According to them, that's it.

Of course someone could spend the time polishing the heads of those rivets.

But, if someone insists on doing it "their way", instead of what the industry accepts, then that certainly is their choice.

Using larger shank, same head size buck rivets, offers nothing to gain, and plenty of time to lose.

Then when the 1/8 inch holes are opened up to 5/32 inch, upon close examination, you will find that the holes have a slight triangular shape, even when using a 30,000 RPM air drill.

That gets you back to square one, namely, how do you fill that hole?

So you go back to the same routine of bucking, that will fill, within reason, even oblong holes.

I might add, using an electric drill motor, or a 3 to 5,000 RPM air drill, will always give you a "out of round" hole in the sheet metal.

Our advice, is do it the simple way, instead of analyzing how they build airplanes, and trying to improve upon it.

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Does anyone know the rivet size used to hold the skin panels on a 1965 Caravel?

Ours appears to be smaller than 5/32.

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The exterior "buck rivets" have a shank diameter of 1/8 inch.

The interior "pop" rivets have a shank diameter of 1/8 inch.

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I just went to Aircraft Spruce and they have the larger shank, same size rivet head. The only problem is that they are "gold" colored. According to them, that's it.

Of course someone could spend the time polishing the heads of those rivets.
The "gold" is just a thin coating - it comes off with very little effort. If you are planning on polishing anyways, no big deal. My only point was that if the holes are enlarged, the 5/32" are fine...it gives allows for more metal to fill the enlarged hole.

And I totally understand these are not Airplanes...

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The "gold" is just a thin coating - it comes off with very little effort. If you are planning on polishing anyways, no big deal. My only point was that if the holes are enlarged, the 5/32" are fine...it gives allows for more metal to fill the enlarged hole.

And I totally understand these are not Airplanes...

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Well, Shari, you could leave them "gold."

Then a claim could be made that it was the first "Polish", not Italian, but polish, Airstream, that had "polka dots."

That would make more than eyes turn, at the International.

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You should not have to enlarge the hole if you drill out the original rivets correctly - what you need to do is drill the rivet part way and then "pop" it out with a center punch - that way you don' enlarge the hole.

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