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01-14-2014, 10:33 AM
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3 Rivet Member
1972 21' Globetrotter
Wylie
, Texas
Join Date: Oct 2013
Posts: 140
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Screws vs rivets
Question: if buck riveting is not an option & you have access to both sides, would it be advantageous to use stainless steel screws with locking nuts for strength? I know there would be dissimilar metal reaction. But I am thinking, especially around a belt line that would not be visible, the extra strength may be desirable, all factors considered.
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01-14-2014, 01:10 PM
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Rivet Master
Airstream Dealer
Corona
, California
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 16,497
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rippie
Question: if buck riveting is not an option & you have access to both sides, would it be advantageous to use stainless steel screws with locking nuts for strength? I know there would be dissimilar metal reaction. But I am thinking, especially around a belt line that would not be visible, the extra strength may be desirable, all factors considered.
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No screws.
Use 3/16 inch pop rivets.
Andy
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01-14-2014, 04:16 PM
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Rivet Master
1959 26' Overlander
Western
, Massachusetts
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 1,468
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Inland RV Center, In
Use 3/16 inch pop rivets.
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... unless you're fastening something structural. You don't mention what you're riveting at the belt line, but if it's the shell to u-channel, you need something more solid. You'd be better off with stainless and nylock nuts and be sure to use Locktite Red on the threads.
That said, if it's structural, there is nothing better than a buck rivet. There are all sorts of bucking bars available if you have room constraints.
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01-15-2014, 10:04 AM
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3 Rivet Member
1972 21' Globetrotter
Wylie
, Texas
Join Date: Oct 2013
Posts: 140
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Yes it's structural. The rear belt line including entire c-channel and hold down plate (sewing her back up after rear subfloor replacement). I noticed that VTS offers stainless steel rivets where "extra strength" is needed. Again, since bucking is not an option this round was just wondering what harm would be done with SS locking nuts/screws and what problems this may present down the road. I am looking more for strength. Appearance matters none because it will have the belt over it.
I guess a better way to phrase would be, "if buck riveting was not an option, what would realistically be the next best thing for a structural union." By the way I do plan on bucking it one day, but time/finances/resources are just not allowing right now.
Hope this information helps to better guide responses. Looking for theories or experience, any comments appreciated.
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01-15-2014, 10:36 AM
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Rivet Master
1960 33' Custom
Athens
, Georgia
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 1,373
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I'll throw my 2 cents in. Pop rivets are not a structural fastener at all. If you can't buck rivet then my next go to option is Cherry Max rivets, they are structural and can be pulled with a hand pop rivet gun albeit with a little bit more effort. They come in a wide variety of materials but a typical one with an aluminum body and hardened steel mandrel would be decent for this application. Here's a pic grabbed for Google images. Be warned though that they are sensitive to material thickness and when they pull up short or long they do not "lock" in place as they should and are harder to drill out being steel in a soft body.
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1960 Sovereign 33' Pacific Railroad Custom
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01-15-2014, 11:01 AM
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Rivet Master
1973 21' Globetrotter
Houston
, Texas
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 3,322
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So, the question I would ask is why buck riveting is not an option? If it is that you don't want to invest in the tools, then maybe you could investigate options such as reaching out to other Airstreamers in your area for a loan or rental of tools, search for what you need on ebay, etc.. All you need for the area you are working in is the rivet gun and appropriate rivet set, some rivets, and a bucking bar (really, a small anvil or large hammer would work fine for this).
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01-15-2014, 02:13 PM
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Restorations done right
Commercial Member
1962 26' Overlander
1961 26' Overlander
Vintage Kin Owner
Currently Looking...
Baltimore
, Maryland
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 5,545
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Not bucking the rivets is a foolish choice. Straight and to the point. Sorry. Find a way to buck them. Belegedhel just gave you fantastic solution to finding the tooling.
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