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Old 12-19-2011, 10:07 PM   #57
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It does work ....sort of. The drill bits are great but I ended up chucking them into my normal drill instead. After drilling a hundred or so rivets you get the feel of it and it's no biggie. The trouble with this tool is that it obscures the view of how the drill is entering the rivet. If the rivet is less than pristine sometimes you have to tweek the entry. And you have to take the tool apart to get the rivet parts that remain on the drill.

Takes way too long when I can slip a normal drill bit into the claw of a hammer, reverse and take a bunch of the rivet remains off in seconds.

I only used this tool on pop rivets and it wasn't worth it...I can't imagine using it if you wanted to change the size of the drill bit as in the previous posts method. It would be a nightmare.
Yeah, I wondered how it would work, but it was a thought for newbies. They also make a kit for blind rivets, (p/n 1341S). They are not something I would use as I've spent thirty some odd years drilling and filling rivet holes in a bunch of airplanes so what I do is mostly freehand.....Phil
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Old 12-20-2011, 02:34 PM   #58
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Hi Phil.
The removal tool kits are very tempting. specially for a guy that never messed up with rivets before. LOL
Don't think will get them already unless they will become a must.
Need to get the VV windows out and therefore the need of all the possible info about subject of rivets.
Will start at the bally pan (since it needs to come down) and once I get the right feeling will hit the VVs.
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Old 12-20-2011, 03:24 PM   #59
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Why is free handing it so hard? You just drill it out with a 1/8" then use a #20(if your me or Truck, a #21 for everyone else) to drill the hole for the rivet. That leaves tons of slop for even the worst of off centered drillers out there jumping between those two sizes.
I bought one of those fancy tools. Threw it(literally) into the scrap steel bin because it drilled so many off center holes.

Three interesting things I have learned about drilling rivet;
A) Drilling rivets is so easy even a monkey can do it. It is not rocket science even though they can be used to build rockets.
B) Cheap bits are not even worth the gas used to go to the store to buy them. If your vehicle takes you to a big box store, you have wasted your gas.
C) As soon the bit wanders the first time, it is too dull to drill properly. It is time to replace it or sharpen it on the grinder. You can free hand them on the grinder too. You can't build a rocket out of grinders however.
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Old 12-21-2011, 06:49 AM   #60
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HD doesn't carry the bits 20 or 21

Went to HD early this morning and of course they don't carry the Bits #20 or #21. Instead the guy "match" the rivet with a 5/32 or 4mm.
Now wondering if that is the equivalent of the #20 or #21?
How hard can it be to get some drill bits!!!
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Old 12-21-2011, 07:10 AM   #61
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Hey Veg,
To get number bits, you'll need to go to a place that sells specialty tools and fasteners. Places like Fastenal, Grainger, or an independent outfit is even better. Ask Darkspeed where he goes.

See Frank's post number 59 above and read B) good advice from Franks, as always.
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Well I was getting bits at vintage online and at the local fastenall but the local fastenall just went out of business.
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Fastenal

Hi Todd.
I'll be in Tampa again today and closed enough from a Fastenal so I can just get some from them.
Looking online I see that they have 2 of the same #, same brand but diff $, any recommendations?
BTW do you need anything from Fastenal?
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Hi Todd.
I'll be in Tampa again today and closed enough from a Fastenal so I can just get some from them.
Looking online I see that they have 2 of the same #, same brand but diff $, any recommendations?
BTW do you need anything from Fastenal?
You may find the are different lengths

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I have noticed on my 47 Spartan Manor that all of the rivet heads already have a dimple dead center. I am assuming that whatever shank was used to install the rivets created this dimple. That is going to make it much easier to start the drill bit dead center. Does anyone know if these type of shanks are avalible for a 3X rivet gun?
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it wasn't that bad at all!

Hi Guys this is not bad at all!
Got the last VV done today and it wasn't that bad. Except for the fact that my rivet gun is not the best so I'm on ebay now looking for something to speed this riveting process.
Can an Air Hydraulic Riveter Gun be used to speed this up?
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Hi Guys this is not bad at all!
Got the last VV done today and it wasn't that bad. Except for the fact that my rivet gun is not the best so I'm on ebay now looking for something to speed this riveting process.
Can an Air Hydraulic Riveter Gun be used to speed this up?
Sure can, as long as you have an extension cord, a compressor and an air hose.

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Hi Guys this is not bad at all!
Got the last VV done today and it wasn't that bad. Except for the fact that my rivet gun is not the best so I'm on ebay now looking for something to speed this riveting process.
Can an Air Hydraulic Riveter Gun be used to speed this up?
Ya I got one... Think it is still in the box.. lol.. need to borrow it
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I have noticed on my 47 Spartan Manor that all of the rivet heads already have a dimple dead center. I am assuming that whatever shank was used to install the rivets created this dimple. That is going to make it much easier to start the drill bit dead center. Does anyone know if these type of shanks are avalible for a 3X rivet gun?
Not sure the size of the rivet, but the dimples (MS20470-AD5) still exist in new rivets today. They are not created by the shank.
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Hi Guys this is not bad at all!
Got the last VV done today and it wasn't that bad. Except for the fact that my rivet gun is not the best so I'm on ebay now looking for something to speed this riveting process.
Can an Air Hydraulic Riveter Gun be used to speed this up?
If you are using "pop" rivets, a gun is so much better. I had an air/hydraulic. I ended up buying a straight air gun made by Pop of all people. One of the best tools I have bought. Even for the price.
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