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Old 12-12-2011, 02:57 PM   #29
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Well the aluminum is most often .032 thick so if joining two sheets you would need one with a minimum of .064 grip

For sheet work the first on list looks good
For going into ribs through a sheet maybe the second or third
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can these be shaved?

Hi Todd.
Can these be shaved? By looking at the pics of the first one they don't really look like the Olympic.
These will be used for the VistaView and Stack windows.
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Hi Todd.
Can these be shaved? By looking at the pics of the first one they don't really look like the Olympic.
These will be used for the VistaView and Stack windows.
All Olympic rivets must be shaved, to look likr the buck rivets.

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so blind rivets...

are the same than the olympic rivets?
We are looking at the Domed Aluminum
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are the same than the olympic rivets?
We are looking at the Domed Aluminum
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The mcmaster rivets will not look like an airstream rivet - they will look like a pop rivet.

To look like an airstream rivet you need Olympic rivets - when you pop them the stem sticks out so you can trim it down flush so it looks like a solid rivet.
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First is mcmaster

Second is olympic

When the Mcmaster pops the stem is broken off in the head so there will be a hole in the middle and it will not look like a solid rivet
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Here is a shot of the closed end rivet from mcmaster
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The reason a slightly oversized drill bit is used on rivets is so that the rivet will slip easily into the hole. Using a 5/32 bit would not be an issue doing 4 or 5 rivets but for production work it would be highly unproductive not to drill a slightly oversized hole. In airplane construction numbered drill bits are always used...#30 for 1/8 and # 20 for 5/32 etc. The 5/32 size is only the pre-pulled diameter, not the final pulled diameter, when a 5/32 rivet is pulled it will fill the #20 drill bit hole.
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The reason a slightly oversized drill bit is used on rivets is so that the rivet will slip easily into the hole. Using a 5/32 bit would not be an issue doing 4 or 5 rivets but for production work it would be highly unproductive not to drill a slightly oversized hole. In airplane construction numbered drill bits are always used...#30 for 1/8 and # 20 for 5/32 etc. The 5/32 size is only the pre-pulled diameter, not the final pulled diameter, when a 5/32 rivet is pulled it will fill the #20 drill bit hole.
Not when you use an Olypic rivet, since the rivet shank does not swell, but instead the back side splits into thirds which does nothing for the hole.

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this is learning process is getting more and more interesting every day.
Now: What is the best source for buying Olympic Rivets? Don't really want to pay over $20 for just 100 of them. But if there is no other choice...
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The reason a slightly oversized drill bit is used on rivets is so that the rivet will slip easily into the hole. Using a 5/32 bit would not be an issue doing 4 or 5 rivets but for production work it would be highly unproductive not to drill a slightly oversized hole. In airplane construction numbered drill bits are always used...#30 for 1/8 and # 20 for 5/32 etc. The 5/32 size is only the pre-pulled diameter, not the final pulled diameter, when a 5/32 rivet is pulled it will fill the #20 drill bit hole.
I just removed some solid rivets by chiseling the head off which was easier than I thought it'd be. Can you use this same removal method for Olympics?
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this is learning process is getting more and more interesting every day.
Now: What is the best source for buying Olympic Rivets? Don't really want to pay over $20 for just 100 of them. But if there is no other choice...
Most dealers charge at least 60 cents per olympic rivet.

Bag prices from them are always cheaper.

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The reason a slightly oversized drill bit is used on rivets is so that the rivet will slip easily into the hole. Using a 5/32 bit would not be an issue doing 4 or 5 rivets but for production work it would be highly unproductive not to drill a slightly oversized hole. In airplane construction numbered drill bits are always used...#30 for 1/8 and # 20 for 5/32 etc. The 5/32 size is only the pre-pulled diameter, not the final pulled diameter, when a 5/32 rivet is pulled it will fill the #20 drill bit hole.
The Airstream factory specs a #21 drill bit for the Olympics.

The Official Airstream Rivet Kit contains everything you need to get started. It contains a Marson Klick-Turn Swivel Head Rivet tool with 4 nose pieces (3/16, 5/32, 1/8, 3/32) and an assortment of rivets including 25 each of the following: Olympic Rivets (exterior repair rivet), 1/4 head diameter rivet with 3/8 length and with 1/2 length for interior rivet replacements, and underbelly rivets with two different head sizes. Also includes drill bits, #10, #21 and #30.

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I just removed some solid rivets by chiseling the head off which was easier than I thought it'd be. Can you use this same removal method for Olympics?
While I hear of people doing this all the time it does have a tendency to stretch the aluminum, Drilling is still the best option.
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