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Old 07-26-2006, 04:01 PM   #43
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isn't this the plasicoat? not the clearcoat?
i realize this is partly a naming thing...but could cause confusion...

the current 'clearcoat' is alcoa applied and not available..even to vendors?

isn't that still correct? or have things changed.....as they always do....

my understanding is the factory approach to damage in the current clearcoat....is to replace the panel with a new panel?

even the factory cannot or does not spray/paint new panels.....

the factory does sell a 'touch up' can;
it's an acrylic spray, not the real alcoa clearcoat
and it's the same stuff they sell to touch up the woodwork inside!

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Clearcoat, plasticoat, plastikote, are all one in the same, today.

The clearcoat on the new trailers cannot be applied in the field, not even by Airstream.

The new paint material, for after market use, is made by a company in Michigan, not by Alcoa.

I suppose, if you wish, replacing a panel simply because the coating is damaged, is OK, but I think since an after market finish is available, that insurance companies may frown on it.

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Old 07-26-2006, 09:25 PM   #44
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Andy, thanks for the info. I ask that you bear with me as I am totally new at this.
You mentioned that the clear coat automotive paint will not adhere to aluminum, and will peel. Does this last any period time, or does it immediately fail to adhere, and peel away?
Could you tell me how expensive the plasticoat is by the gallon as compared to auto clear coat?
I also need to replace my blue stripe. Part of it seems painted, and the other part looks like a decal. Does this panel require plasticoat, or is it rough enough from the factory to apply regular paint?
A 3-5 year life span for the plasticoat seems rather low, but it would depend on the cost as compared to other options.
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Old 07-28-2006, 10:00 PM   #45
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replacing a panel from the factory

if one were to replace a rear panel from the factory in Ohio, due to deep scratches, how well do they do it. Is the finished job like new or are there dangers in doing that also. will it be noticably different. For the money, which seemed very resonable, are there downsides to doing so. thanks in advance.
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Clearcoat, plasticoat, plastikote, are all one in the same, today.

The clearcoat on the new trailers cannot be applied in the field, not even by Airstream.

The new paint material, for after market use, is made by a company in Michigan, not by Alcoa.

I suppose, if you wish, replacing a panel simply because the coating is damaged, is OK, but I think since an after market finish is available, that insurance companies may frown on it.

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well andy i love it when you use the insurance thing...but aren't you mixing messages here...first it says 'are all one in the same' then 'clearcoat no new...cannot be applied in the field...' then the new material isn't made by alcoa... and why replace a panel when 'aftermarket finish is available'

wonder if anyone is confused....?

just to be 'clear' about the coating...when you discuss mixing and apply, aren't you referencing trailers older than 99 or so? your own posts earlier in this thread suggest the new stuff cannot be appled by anyone?

i've seen the formulation for the 'new stuff' which is correctly referred to as clearcoat. actually alcoa has a specific name for the product but i've forgotten it... AND alcoa did develop it...they have the patent on the stuff and the application process.

http://www.alcoa.com/car_truck/en/success_airstream.asp

the material for 'aftermarket use' isn't intended for newer trailers....my understanding is it will not look correct on the newer trailers and will age differently...while it isn't the original plastikote....it is closer to that product, with safer solvents than the alcoa applied clearcoat...right?

you aren't suggesting anyone put this 'aftermarket' stuff on newer units?

my insurance covers repairs using factory parts
at qualified factory service centers...
all the dealers i've discussed this with,
who are 'qualified' to make skin repairs on newer trailers....
say the same thing....
'the only proper repair is panel replacement'
that's also what the factory service center says and DOES...

you aren't suggesting that insurance carriers should
ignore this advice and opt for respraying newer trailers are ya?

i thought all the insurance protocols
were backed by tests, results and years and years of research...

please clear this up?
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if one were to replace a rear panel from the factory in Ohio, due to deep scratches, how well do they do it. Is the finished job like new or are there dangers in doing that also. will it be noticably different. For the money, which seemed very resonable, are there downsides to doing so. thanks in advance.
jetliner...
i watched them do some panel repairs last summer,
and i closely looked over some units they had repaired...
i've also taken the 'fine tooth comb' to some new units
repaired by qualified dealers...

so am i qualified to answer your question?
absolutely not!

generally the finish is like new...because it is new.
will it look 'noticably different'...depends on the area damaged and repair...

-in some areas they lay a new panel over the old....like replacing the full top or bottom panel along either side...the final result is amazing....virtually no difference...depending on rivet style used. i 've seen several of these...and had a hard time determining which panel was replaced...even after being told.

-on the curved end cap sections....the old ones may be removed or the damaged section cut out...all the panels have some grain appearance so this may look different after a repair...but if ya look at brand new trailers this is true too...end cap pieces are very individual looking and each fit is unique...

some might suggest the replacement rivets
aren't exacty the same as the buck rivets....
and sometimes this is true....
seams are sealed all trim is removed and replaced after wards...
so are the windows and other framed parts...

if the damaged section is leaking or otherwise not functional...replacement is ideal...if it is just big ugly dents or scraps ...same thing. if however the blemish is purely to the coating (scratches or peeling)....well you will always (mentally) know the repair was done...and the repaired section may look so much better than the surrounding panels...that it sticks out!

the factory does this work on many trailer damage on the first camping trip, going home from the dealer, or damaged in transit TO the dealer before sale....almost no one can detect these repairs...

if you've got more questions contact the factory service center or a 'qualified new trailer' service center on the left coast.

there are also threads here on peeling and fusiform or filiform corrosion on new trailers....so search the forums...

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Old 01-05-2007, 11:59 AM   #48
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Am seriously considering having our AS painted. From the responses above, it don't seem like such a bad idea!
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Old 01-05-2007, 12:07 PM   #49
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If the trailer works for you get it. Paint or no paint seems like a non issue to me.
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Old 01-05-2007, 12:27 PM   #50
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I Painted My 1972 Excella 500 And It Looks Great. Much Less Expensive Than Polishing And I Find It To Be Much Less Maintenance. Some Airstreamers Think Painting Is A No-no But I Beg To Differ. I Have Had Nothing But Great Compliments Since It Was Done. It Is Also For Sale By The Way.
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Old 01-05-2007, 12:29 PM   #51
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Am seriously considering having our AS painted. From the responses above, it don't seem like such a bad idea!
The cost per year is far less with a "metallic silver" paint job, than plasticoat.

The key, however, is the manner in which it's done, and the quality of the paint materials. A proper job will last at least 20 years or more.

An acid bath, is "NEVER" used to prep the metal for painting.

Waxing a silver painted trailer is just like a car. Once a year is adequate for most climates.

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Hey Andy, do you know anyone "more than capable" of doing a good job of painting an AS trailer? I 'm in the Metro DC area.
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Hey Andy, do you know anyone "more than capable" of doing a good job of painting an AS trailer? I 'm in the Metro DC area.
I am not Andy, but try Colin Hyde at GSM Vehicles in Plattsburg, NY. He painted Rich Luhr's Argosy (Airstream Life). I think that they answered a similiar question on TheVAP this week.

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Hey Andy, do you know anyone "more than capable" of doing a good job of painting an AS trailer? I 'm in the Metro DC area.

We do not have any information for a shop in your area.

Sorry.

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My first reaction to painting aluminum aluminum was similar to my reaction to covering rugs and furniture with clear vinyl and toilet paper roll cozies. (My apologies in advance to clear vinyl fans) After reading the comments it's beginning to make sense.

Can a generic auto body shop handle the job, or can you DIY?
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My first reaction to painting aluminum aluminum was similar to my reaction to covering rugs and furniture with clear vinyl and toilet paper roll cozies. (My apologies in advance to clear vinyl fans) After reading the comments it's beginning to make sense.

Can a generic auto body shop handle the job, or can you DIY?
Anyone can do it, "IF" you have the right equipment, "AND" followed the correct procedures, "AND" use superior paints.

Typical auto body shops do not have a clue of how to properly prep and paint aluminum, including aluminum rivets.

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