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Old 02-04-2004, 11:22 PM   #15
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Hi Jaco;
I would hope that you could modify the nose so that you would get a good fit over the rivet and drill out the rivet in one operation. Here is a link that gives a better look at the nose.
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I may have to replace some segments in the top rear so may get first hand experience at removing rivets. We went to Florida over the Christmas break and had fuel delivery problems so I have to address that before I figure out what to do about the dent. We went to the get-together at Blanco and hope to show up at another gathering in the near future.
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Old 02-05-2004, 07:40 AM   #16
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Funny you should bring this up again... my father (an experienced machinist) is making me exactly what shelocta described: a version specifically designed to drill out Airstream rivets.

I won't have it until late spring, but when I get it the plan is to replace a couple of exterior panels with it. I will post here on the results and design of the device at that time. If it works well, I'll investigate having it reproduced by a machine shop.

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Old 03-01-2004, 09:13 PM   #17
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Question Almost like the factory

I noticed that after the olympic rivet is installed and shaved it does look smooth and shiny like the factory rivet.

However the head diameter looks smaller than the factory rivet that was bucked.

I just got some OLY rivets from AS dreams and holding them up to the originals on my 2003 they look like the head is a slightly smaller diameter. Is this because bucking the rivets makes the heads flatten out larger than the OLY rivets.

Also are factory rivets coated with a clear coat to keep them from oxidizing? If so can an olympic rivet after its been shaved be coated with something?

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Old 03-01-2004, 10:42 PM   #18
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campcollector you raise an important and interesting question.

In Peter's photos in this very thread the new Olympic and the bucked originals sure look to be the same size. But I know photo and even in person looks can decieve.

Have you popped one yet? Do you have calipers that could measure this possibly?

Also what is the Olympic stock number of those you bought?
I've got specs on the Olympics but don't have a clue as to the specs on the original bucking rivets.

I would not care if there was a slight difference in dome diameter, but for all these months I have been led to believe they were the same . I just prefer my surprises before I order things. Especially if I was to spring for the 200 dollar shave tool. (which I won't)I'll grind it down with a Dremel stone.
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Old 03-01-2004, 10:50 PM   #19
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I've got specs on the Olympics but don't have a clue as to the specs on the original bucking rivets.
Here are dimensions of bucked rivets.
Click on different head styles, Brazier head is shown dimensions
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Old 03-01-2004, 11:05 PM   #20
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What I have

I got the rivets from Airstream dreams.

I have not installed one yet.

The AS parts book buck rivets say they are 1/8 dia.

I imagine after I drill one out the hole will be slightly larger because of the mushrooming of the buck rivet. Maybe this is why 5/32 fits in it.
I found larger ones online but the head diameter is .46 almost a 1/2 inch. Thats too big and the grip range is different. Also my rivets are a dull aluminum color they dont' look anodized. I emailed airstream and asked what exactly they are using on current model coaches for repair work. I will post a reply. But for now here is the dimmensions diagram. The link is for other info and sizes

http://www.boltproducts.com/marson/b...bulb-tite.html
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Old 03-02-2004, 03:09 AM   #21
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Close enough for me.

Assuming that Mark's bucking rivet chart represents what Airstream used 40 years ago, the head diameter is the same .312, and the head height is .072 on Olympics and .062 on bucked rivet.
That is 1/100 th. of an inch. Negligible IMHO.
There might be some head squeeze during install, but on both styles therefore offsetting effect.


Annodized is supposed to be dull aluminum colored.
Mill finish is bright.

The Olympics are an alloy I believe. I wasn't aware they were annodized. Would that be an extra step/cost in manufacturing?
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Old 03-02-2004, 08:36 PM   #22
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Talking Maybe I will buck

After looking at the cost of a rivet gun 139.00, tip set 25 dollars, and bucking bar set 49.00. I am contemplating going that way since I have the interior ribs exposed. This is on the roof after all and I could get the white rivets from AS to do the job. The following is an email I got from Chris Burch at Airstream regarding oly rivets.

I asked

"Are the 5/32 Olympic shavable bulb tite rivets used for exterior panel repairs on current coaches or just old coaches?
When installed and shaved are these rivet heads slightly smaller than a bucked rivet head?
And will they oxidize and grey over time?

If there is another type of bulb tite rivet Airstream uses for exterior rivet replacement could you tell me what size it is or a part number so I can order some? "

He responded

"They are the same and we have used these for the past 30 plus years.
They will be slightly smaller, but not enough difference to really tell.
I would say over a period of time anything is possible, but we have trailers come in here that we have used these on years ago and you can't tell the difference.
Again, we use only these.
You can contact a dealer for these."
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Old 10-06-2005, 07:15 PM   #23
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vix bit, rivet removal tool

found a tool specifically designed to remove solid rivets at:
aircraft-tool.com.
http://www.aircraft-tool.com/shop/se...ATEGORY=Rivets
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Old 09-06-2006, 05:09 PM   #24
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Thanks for the rivetting discussion...literally

I have never rivetted and I am about to undertake the infamous wing window replacement on my 72 Tradwind. I feel a ton better after hearing all the specs and especially the pictures. Thanks and I am using these notes as my "To do" list.
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Old 09-14-2006, 06:15 PM   #25
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I got a big dent in the upper right rear roof outer skin over the shower. I think was done by my garage roofer stepping off onto my 76 international with his # 12 boot. In my openion it can be pushed out from the inside. My question is, how to remove & reinstall interior head liner
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Old 08-08-2008, 12:24 PM   #26
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Hi Peter...has your rivet picture essay been taken down?

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Old 08-08-2008, 12:37 PM   #27
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Many of the older photos were lost when we converted to a new server and I haven't seen PeterH on this site for quite some time. Maybe he'll respond and reload his pictures. They were very informative and well documented.

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Since Peter's original pix are gone with the old server syndrome, I'll see about getting new ones posted here to show the details, in's and out's, so to speak, of Olympic rivet installation. Give me a couple of days while I find my last remaining Olympics.

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