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Old 09-23-2003, 09:38 PM   #15
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Good thinking. That's what I 'm going to do-2 ft width will reach from the body joint, around the radius to the frame rails. I'm going to make a lengthwise splice at the frame rail with doublers, use the old belly to make the removable center section.
Here's an alternative: get a length of 8" steel pipe, split it lengthwise in quarters, weld those to the outriggers. Paint with silver paint. Your rocker panels would be bulletproof.
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Old 09-23-2003, 10:06 PM   #16
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Here's an alternative: get a length of 8" steel pipe, split it lengthwise in quarters, weld those to the outriggers. Paint with silver paint. Your rocker panels would be bulletproof.

Hahaha Over kill is what I'm all about!
The rockers on my trail truck are 4x4inch 3/16 wall box. I cut (mother nature helped with rust) the rockers out up to the door. Then they have a outrigger to help keep the sides of the trockoff the rocks and as a step, made out of 2x2 3/16. I have busted rocks with them. They are also air tanks for filling the tires back up.

Here is a picture where you can see them. Chili Pepper at the wheel.
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Old 09-23-2003, 11:21 PM   #17
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guys you can get aluminum coil stock at any siding supply house. Tim men use it to clad whatever they can't cover with siding....it comes in colors and also bare aluminum...as I remember its 12-18-24-36 inches wide by 50' long...coated on both sides and comes in various thicknesses....geof
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What are you paying for Aluminum?

My Belly pan is beat up along the edges. I was going to replace the whole thing. I have been told my 59 uses 2024-T3. Called the local steel supply place and they just called me back They cant find it local with shipping to them it's going to be $1000 For 4 4ftx12ft sheets!
Head North, young man... At least to the Lockheed-Martin plant at Marietta ( and find one of their suppliers of Al. A lot of the time the will have sheets that have minor scratches in them and as a reslut cannot be used on Aircraft. Some time you can pick them up at rock bottom prices.
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Head North, young man... At least to the Lockheed-Martin plant at Marietta ( and find one of their suppliers of Al. A lot of the time the will have sheets that have minor scratches in them and as a reslut cannot be used on Aircraft. Some time you can pick them up at rock bottom prices.
Actually south for me. I live about five miles North. I'm coming up with zilch. My buddy use to work there and now works at Delta in the repair hanger. He sent me to twmetals.com and they are even higher. TW sells to Delta. I'm just a hassle because I only want one sheet so got a bad price.

Starting to look like online is the way to go at one of the places listed above. They are coming in atleast $50 cheaper. then the best local price I have found.
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Allright I just spent about $250 with www.airpartsinc.com
Price was INCLUDING shipping.

SUPER NICE and friendly folks. Family run buisness I think (girl on the phone had to ask mom for the formula to figure out the right length rivets She was very knowledgable this was just some formula she didn't know off the top of her head). Very understanding as to my confusion and took the time to give me a little education.

I splurged and went with the 2024 and will peice it in. All normaly visable surfaces will shine up (bottom will look like hell but ohh well). Said they had it all in stock. Should ship tomorrow at the latest and be on my door step Monday or tuesday.

On the 2024 they were $75 cheaper with shipping then I could get it local. Since I bought coil it can go UPS instead of freight for the Sheet.


I Also ordered 2ft of (4ft wide) .032 2024 for any repairs I might need to do to the main body.

I ordered 30 temporary fasteners and the tool for them,
A tool designed to cut the head off rivites without messing up the sheet. $10 for the tool and $3.25 for the blades. I ordered 3 blades.
300 1/8 inch buck rivets.

Thats all for the $250-260, she still had to add in the rivets but wanted to make sure she was sending me the correct length.

I think the prices were reasonable and I recomend them for the materials on their customer service and knowledge alone not to mention they have a great price.

Mark I told them you would be calling!
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When you ask what are you paying for it is the certification of the aluminum as an aircraft part, 2024 is aircraft aluminum. The aluminum cannot be certified if it has any defects on sheet, even one tiny scratch.That is why they will sell damaged sheets for half price (wish me luck with that I haven't tried getting some yet - just word of mouth).I'm going to need at least 6 sheets.
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Half price?

Hey, if its not good enough for Boeing, would I want it on my trailer? You think I want to blow out a skin panel and lose cabin pressure while on final approach to Happy Acres campground? Would I call Good Sam for help?
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$54 a sheet!!?

I went to a steel/aluminum supplier in' beautiful downtown ' Burbank ,CA.for a replacement for my bumper storage pan. Took the old knarly remnant in ,they mic'd it and said it was 18 guage or close to .036 (prob. .032 with dirt).
They cut me the exact size and for $10 I was gone! CHEAP, I thought- so I asked what a 4x12 sheet would be and it was $54.00!!
Am I getting a low grade or what? I thought on the belly anything would work!
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I went to a steel/aluminum supplier in' beautiful downtown ' Burbank ,CA.for a replacement for my bumper storage pan. Took the old knarly remnant in ,they mic'd it and said it was 18 guage or close to .036 (prob. .032 with dirt).
They cut me the exact size and for $10 I was gone! CHEAP, I thought- so I asked what a 4x12 sheet would be and it was $54.00!!
Am I getting a low grade or what? I thought on the belly anything would work!
Uhhhhh either he has some old stock that he doesn't know what the going rate is or it's a lower grade. So far the best prices have been the two aircraft places. 4x12 sheet of the rear deal 2024-t3 AlCad .032 is $165. I have been quoted as high as $330 for a peice that size.

That price is close to what you get at a recycler. THat' sheet is about 18lb. I have found a few places with Stainless close to that price that was around .025. There are some grades of aluminum for stamping or forming stuff like gutters around that price. If that's 2024 I'd buy all of his stock and resale it close to going rate and make some retirement money.
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Yeah. See if he has certs for that stuff. If its 2024T3 I'll buy all he has for $54/sheet.
I suspect you got some 5000 series dead soft stuff.
But if it floats your boat.....
Good comment about the belly pan. Let's not get too carried away.
When I was a volunteer fireman, we took a lot of pride in our equipment. But I drew the line when the chief told me to polish and wax the drive shaft and u-joints on the pumper. .
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Not the good stuff!

I did some homework on the $54/sht stufff I bought and it appears to be #6061 which Aircraft Spruce also sells but for $72 (20 G.) or $79 (18 Guage).
Still seems like it would work fine for belly pans or am I missing something.
Does it corrode faster in salty climates??
I'm going to try a polishing test to see if it will look lame next to the original.I'm sure it's not for segments but don't see why it wouldn't pass under the rubrail.
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I did some homework on the $54/sht stufff I bought and it appears to be #6061 which Aircraft Spruce also sells but for $72 (20 G.) or $79 (18 Guage).
Still seems like it would work fine for belly pans or am I missing something.
Does it corrode faster in salty climates??
I'm going to try a polishing test to see if it will look lame next to the original.I'm sure it's not for segments but don't see why it wouldn't pass under the rubrail.
It will work fine for the belly pan. It may well be what was originaly on them. What ever is i used on the belly is not 2024 I have decided. I'm just going to replace the very perimiter where it is visible. I'll salvage the the center.

I have some interior pannel loose and I can tell you the pannels they used on the inside are not the 2024 they used on the outside. The 2024 I can now see with the pannels off is still very shinny. The interior pannels where they are not painted are are very dull by compairson.
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6061 has very little copper, but is probably excellent for bellypan. I think the original bellypan was 2024 but not AlClad, which gives the mirror finish. May also have been fully annealed, Tzero. Not sure where I saw this, but credit to the original author.
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