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Old 12-21-2009, 08:25 AM   #1
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Holes too big

I have a awning on my 83 excella were someone before me put sheet metal screws in to hold it down. Over the years the screws have worked loose and they have put bigger screws in. This of course has got to the point were you have a hole that is growing to big. Do any of you good people have any ideals on how to securely attach my awnings without continuing to make it worse. Many thanks in advance.
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In aviation circles there is a threaded insert called a rivnut. It is inserted into a drilled hole and pulled tight like a pop rivet. Then a fine thread screw can be installed. The generic equivalent is called a rivet nut. Rivnuts and tools to install them can be found at Aircraft Spruce, an aviation supply company.
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Is it the awning rail or rafter arm mounts? If it's the rafter arm mounts, all you have to do is cut a plate out of 2024 aluminum sheet, rivet it to the skin (with some Vulkem behind it) and install new fasteners.
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I have a awning on my 83 excella were someone before me put sheet metal screws in to hold it down. Over the years the screws have worked loose and they have put bigger screws in. This of course has got to the point were you have a hole that is growing to big. Do any of you good people have any ideals on how to securely attach my awnings without continuing to make it worse. Many thanks in advance.
Where exactly are the holes?

If they are in the metal and main bows, then plates will not hold the support arms correctly.

How about a photo or two.

If it's a Zip Dee, a small modification can be done to allow almost new installation of the arms, in brand new holes.

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I am trying not to end up with patched skin. So I would not entertain moving the bracket unless I have to. I will take a picture of it. Now if I can figure out how to post the picture here mmmmm! Learning bare with me.
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I believe you would call it the rafter arm mounts. I am a new owner of a old airstream. This is my first one. Trying to figure it out.
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Thanks for the information! Jack mac
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I hope this worked here are the pictures of the brackets, I need to repair. Many thanks.
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How you correct the problem, depends on what brand awning you have.

A rivnut may or may not work.

Posting a photo of the holes, and the awning arms you have, will help.

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I hope this worked here are the pictures of the brackets, I need to repair. Many thanks.
I made my post before I saw your photo's.

You have a Zip Dee awning.

At this point, try the rivnuts.

More importantly, you must correct the "cause" of the problem.

The cause, in your case, is vibration.

One or more of the following, can contribute to the vibration.

If the travel locks are not tight, that allows movement when traveling.

Unbalanced or lack of proper balanced running gear, can cuse the problem. Is there possibly a bottoming out issue due to the rubber rods in the axles. Is the tow vehicle extra heavy duty and are the hitch torsion bars over rated?

The fix, may be easier than the cure.

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Here's a thread Zepp posted a while back that may help. It seems his upper brackets were also loose.

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f442...hlight=doubler

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Adding a "center support" will help to reduce the movement of the end support arms, during gusty winds.

If the end support arms can move, they in turn will strip the screw holes.

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In aviation circles there is a threaded insert called a rivnut. It is inserted into a drilled hole and pulled tight like a pop rivet. Then a fine thread screw can be installed. The generic equivalent is called a rivet nut. Rivnuts and tools to install them can be found at Aircraft Spruce, an aviation supply company.
When I was a Snap-On dealer we sold the same device as a "nutsert". The set came with an complex installation tool, one part of which held the nutsert, the other part was a "T" handle used to turn a screw and pull the nutsert into place. Don't need all of that.

I have since seen nutserts or rivnuts that come with a small nut like part that you hold with a wrench to keep it from turning while you use an "allen" wrench to tighten the nutsert into place.

Oh, also sometimes called "thread-serts"
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I have a center support and will use it after I get this fixed. I have not decided on a tow truck yet. Right now it is a 98 quad cab 360. Toresion bars I usually set at a noticeabel flex. The rods bottomed out dont know I wil check though. as well as the shocks and rubber bushings on trailer. Thanks for your input Andy.
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