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Old 09-10-2012, 05:44 PM   #29
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I would agree with having an aviation sheet metal shop do something if you can't get it to AS. I am of all things an aviation insurance adjuster, so I know a bit about bent aluminum. For the insurance side of things, take a few photos, get a couple of estimates and then present them to the adjuster. Be nice. It goes a long way. If you work directly with the boats adjuster' you can ask for uninsured losses, such as loss of use and diminution of value, but that's a whole 'nother can of worms. I suspect you can get your transportation to and from the repair station without much trouble though.
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Old 09-10-2012, 06:01 PM   #30
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There are several grades of aircraft rivets

If olympic rivets where as strong as Bucked rivets Boeing and Airbus would be using them

If I'm reading the rivet head code correctly on our Airstream, the factory used the "A" bucked rivets, which are soft aluminum, and the weakest aircraft rivet. So, Andy could be right about the Olympic rivets being stronger.

Boeing and Airbus have many stronger rivet alloys to choose from, many that have to be driven immediately after being heat treated (or kept in refrigeration betwen heat-treat and being used).
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Old 09-10-2012, 06:33 PM   #31
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Read the post on late model AS. Many folks are having problems with water damage and rusted frame issues.
This panel is a major link to the frame with the shell hold down riveted through this panel.
An AN470AD driven rivets will secure the panel. Olympic rivets have a center shaft with a 470 head. This is not the same an aircraft structural rivet (Cherry Max Rivets is one example). Use a pop rivet I'm sure it will meet your expectations.
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Old 09-10-2012, 06:33 PM   #32
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Hey everyone - thanks so much for all the super helpful information! I knew this would be the place I could actually get some useful advice.

FWIW, I've put quote requests out to the AS Jackson Centre, and dealerships in Spokane, Saskatoon and the one local dealer who services airstreams. I'll send a note to Langley, BC tomorrow as well. So far the only quote that's back is for what I'm assuming is a patch since they've quoted olympic rivets and and only about 3.5 sq ft of aluminum. That was for about $1200.

The other guy's insurance people have agreed to pick up all the associated costs so I'm definitely going to make sure this is fixed up 100% right even if it ends up costing a bundle.

Hadn't thought of the uninsured losses such as loss of use and diminished value - will ask the adjusters about that as well.
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Good for you!!
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Old 09-10-2012, 08:13 PM   #34
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Most "old airplane mechanic" have much more sheet metal experience than any Airstream tech.
Look At the regular practice of cutting out a panel and overlay another and popping rivets(Airstream's repair) A A&P mechanic has to sign off on his work and is responsible for that work FOREVER. If his repair falls off or has rear end separation you don't pull off on the side of the road and call a tow truck.
I mentioned this as the owner described in his first post that he was quite a way from a dealer that handles sheet metal repairs. Calgary is along way to Jackson Center. This was a suggestion not an ultimatum.
I know an Old Airplane Mechanic will do my necessary repairs I have more confidence in his work than an Airstream Dealers tech.
I didn't say "old" and I qualified it with making sure he was good at aluminum work. A "mechanic" would not necessarily have any experience fabbing metal...

I was pointing out that the insurance will cover a proper estimate, transportation to an Airstream certified shop, and a factory-type repair.

Thanks for improperly quoting me, and making pilots seem like even more stuck-up know-it-alls.
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Hey everyone - thanks so much for all the super helpful information! I knew this would be the place I could actually get some useful advice.

FWIW, I've put quote requests out to the AS Jackson Centre, and dealerships in Spokane, Saskatoon and the one local dealer who services airstreams. I'll send a note to Langley, BC tomorrow as well. So far the only quote that's back is for what I'm assuming is a patch since they've quoted olympic rivets and and only about 3.5 sq ft of aluminum. That was for about $1200.

The other guy's insurance people have agreed to pick up all the associated costs so I'm definitely going to make sure this is fixed up 100% right even if it ends up costing a bundle.

Hadn't thought of the uninsured losses such as loss of use and diminished value - will ask the adjusters about that as well.
Loss of use might apply if you can show them you've rented a replacement while the unit is out of service. It has to be a real loss, and not an imagined one. If they go through the trouble of getting it to a certified shop, they will have an issue with diminished value, as that would imply the repair was not proper. You may point out that if they use Olympic rivets, anyone with Airstream repair knowledge would be able to tell it was hit.
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Evidently you have a problem understanding written word. I said find an airframe mechanic, in aviation there is an Airframe Mechanic and then there is a powerplant mechanic. You can obtain a FAA license in either or both.This is why I specified Airframe as an Airframe mechanic work on the sheetmetal of aircraft.
By the way these license are difficult to obtain. Approx, 2years of study and apprentice work before your able to take the test. Then you have 3 extensive test covering engines from the first radials to the latest jets. The airframe covers wood aircraft to the latest carbon fiber, with the major interest in sheetmetal construction and repair. The third test is general, covering rules and regulations. After all the paperwork is done then you have a practical test to show the FAA your skill level.
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Evidently you have a problem understanding written word. I said find an airframe mechanic, in aviation there is an Airframe Mechanic and then there is a powerplant mechanic. You can obtain a FAA license in either or both.This is why I specified Airframe as an Airframe mechanic work on the sheetmetal of aircraft.
By the way these license are difficult to obtain. Approx, 2years of study and apprentice work before your able to take the test. Then you have 3 extensive test covering engines from the first radials to the latest jets. The airframe covers wood aircraft to the latest carbon fiber, with the major interest in sheetmetal construction and repair. The third test is general, covering rules and regulations. After all the paperwork is done then you have a practical test to show the FAA your skill level.
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Sure... then you misquoted me and made it sound like I was trash talking "old airplane mechanics" . Whatever you call them, they can't pick up the phone and order the exact pre-cut, matching finish part from Airstream.

I don't have a bunch of letters to tag on my name, just my LVC telling me I can tell pilots where to go. So there.
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Since this thread has already strayed, I'll ask the most important question of Freeheel:

By your name, can I assume you tele?
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By your name, can I assume you tele?
Ha ha! 70+ days / year:


...up here they say we have 8 months of winter followed by 4 months of bad skiing
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Ha ha! 70+ days / year:


...up here they say we have 8 months of winter followed by 4 months of bad skiing
Come to the Troll Ski Hill Telefest - it is a blast!
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Thanks for the invite - Troll does look like fun!! We're on a hut trip that week at Sol Mtn Lodge in the Monashees. I think we'll be at the Coldsmoke powder fest though if that cranks yer turn? I think it's the last weekend of Feb this year...
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Come to the Troll Ski Hill Telefest - it is a blast!
I skied Kicking Horse about 8 years ago and loved it. Is there a bad Telefest anywhere?

Can't wait for snow!
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