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Old 04-05-2009, 09:20 AM   #1
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Factory rivets not bucked?

I am doing some repairs on my 67 Safari and I noticed these rivets(see photos below). Are these bucked correctly? If not can I put a rivet gun and bucking bar on the and finish the job or do I need to drill them out and start over?
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Old 04-05-2009, 09:22 AM   #2
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Those look to be some kind of pop rivets, not buck rivets.

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Those are pop rivets. It's hard to tell where they are located from your pictures. Perhaps this was a repair made by a PO?
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Old 04-05-2009, 09:39 AM   #4
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These are covering the curb side. I don't think it's a repair job. Most of the skin on the trailer would have been replaced then!?! The rivets appear to be solid on the outside. If they are pop rivets what type are they?
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Outside photos. If these are pop rivets my entire trailer is put together this way.
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Interesting looking rivets on the outside and sure look like buck rivets, but the tube-like shape of the rivets on the inside is a give-away on pops.

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On both our trailers there are some traditional flat pop rivets, but they are "tacking rivets" (also known as "blind rivets") that held things in place until the main bucked rivets were placed. They end up behind seams of panels and such, not really visible once the trailer was complete.

Could they be "Cherry Max" or more specifically "Cherry Q" rivets? They are used in airplanes alot and look solid from the front but are popped on the back. They can be either flush or bulbed on the front but are able to be installed after the fact from one side in a repair like an Olympic. If a repair was done by an airplane tech, they may have used them because they had them on-hand.

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"Cherry Q Rivet mandrel plugs the entire length of the rivet sleeve, providing full shear strength values for structural or load-bearing applications."
From the Aircraft Spruce catalog
Are all your rivets like that?

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The could be these as well: Self Plugging Rivets - Hanson Rivet.com
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Looks like we are on the same track Richard...same rivet, different company.

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On both our trailers there are some traditional flat pop rivets, but they are "tacking rivets" (also known as "blind rivets") that held things in place until the main bucked rivets were placed. They end up behind seams of panels and such, not really visible once the trailer was complete.

Could they be Cherry Max rivets? They are used in airplanes allot and look solid from the front but are popped on the back. They can be either flush or bulbed on the front but are able to be installed after the fact from one side in a repair like an Olympic.

Are all your rivets like that?

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These could be Cherry Max. The rivets are used from the rear to the front and as high as the window curb side and from rear to fridge vent street side. Could be more I just haven't removed those panels yet. No true Buck rivets in sight
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Our '63 had many pop rivets where I would have expected buck rivets. They had also been there a very long time.
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Check back to my edited post for Cherry Q rivets...

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These could be Cherry Max. The rivets are used from the rear to the front and as high as the window curb side and from rear to fridge vent street side. Could be more I just haven't removed those panels yet. No true Buck rivets in sight
Sounds like it may be a replaced panel - if so, it was done well for you to not notice until the inside panel was removed.

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Thanks All, Looks like this is going to be a bigger project them planned. I've had some mystery leaks and traced them to these pop rivets on the roof line. I just can't see them replacing the skin on both sides as high as the windows from front to back. Maybe someone called in sick that day and they didn't have anyone to hold the bucking bar.
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Our '63 had many pop rivets where I would have expected buck rivets. They had also been there a very long time.
Many of these are going back to buck rivets almost as we speak!

I've noticed these in various places on Goliath as well. Not sure if they are factory or otherwise, but they appear as solid rivets from the outside, but have this tubular structure on the inside. I'll be interested if one of our Rivet Experts around here can identify them for sure. Anyone seen Kip lately?

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