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Old 02-23-2008, 03:01 PM   #1
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Do rivets like this need replacement?

I have numerous rivets that look like the first picture (with a hole in the middle) on my trailer. The blob of Vulkem on the seam was put there by myself. I know it's not pretty, but when I put it on, a ton of it went into the seam, so I kept loading it in there and the remainder of what oozed out is what you see. The PO put lots of extra rivets on this trailer, and alot of them have the hole in the middle (as though they broke off). I got a rivet shaver for Christmas, so I plan on fixing up the rivets that haven't been shaved on the trailer. Should I remove the ones with a hole (yes, I sealed them for right now), or just leave them? There were huge leaks through the seams, but they are not leaking now. Advise? Thanks in advance!
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Old 02-23-2008, 03:06 PM   #2
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The rivets with the holes are Olympic rivets as opposed to bucked rivets which are solid mushroom shaped. The way Olyipmics work is kinda like a pop-pvet in that there is a stem that goes through the head and folds & pulls tighteners on the back. When it's tight, the stem breaks off. Sometimes the stem breaks off below the head of the rivet which leaves the "hole" and sometimes above which leaves a bump like the one next to it. The hole doesn't usually effect the strength of the rivet, just the appearance. You can drill them out and replace them with another Olympic Rivet if you want or try shaving them (if they're not broken off too deep) to lessen the appearance of the hole. You'll also be shaving the ones with the bumps - so give it a try, see if you like the results.

Olympic rivets are really easy to use and you don't need to get to both sides...unlike bucked rivets.

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Old 02-23-2008, 03:29 PM   #3
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Thanks, Shari. Now I know that there's no pressure to replace them. Maybe I'll just do the ones below roof level that you can see. I think I'll practice the shaver on some other stuff before I attempt the trailer!
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Olympic rivets are really easy to use and you don't need to get to both sides...unlike bucked rivets.

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Shari,

Thanks for posting this. Strangely, with all the time I've spent on these forums over the last 4 years, I don't think I ever knew that there were rivets that didn't require somebody on the other side "bucking" them! I guess this means that I wouldn't need to remove the inside furniture, skin and insulation just to replace a faded Airstream nameplate on the crown with a new one.

*PHEW!* And splendid!
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Yeah, I know what you mean about practicing Becky...we are bucking "practice rivets" today in hopes of getting good enough to put our door back together! So far, I do better on the backside with Rob on the front side.

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Old 02-23-2008, 04:12 PM   #6
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Glad to be of help Brad...I think the only other real difference in Olympic rivets is in their cost. They cost about $.25 each and solid rivets are about $.06 or less...they are sold by the pound. But for easy repairs without taking the whole thing apart Olympics are the way to go! Oh one more thing, since bucking rivets don't have the stems, they don't need to be shaved...but if you have to pull your whole trailer apart, that's not much of a consolation prize!

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Brad, much miscellaneous fastening was done at the factory with standard all-aluminum pop rivets (avoid the steel core) -- 1/8" or 5/32". I know for a fact that the Versailles OH plant used a lot of steel core pop rivets on my Argosy...

Arrow is a common brand of pop rivet. I've had bad experiences with ACE Hardware brand. Major skin-skin and skin-frame joining is done with bucked rivets -- the large smooth ones you see. It is those areas where you need to replace with Olympics -- use a dab of Sikaflex 221 or Vulkem on the rivet before you place it. My belly pan edges and aluminum rub rails were all attached with pop rivets. There is a special wider head pop rivet for holding the belly pan undersides to frame.

I'd invite input from Shari but I'd think nameplates would have been put on with pop rivets. They sure were on my '74 Argosy. An Olympic would still work.
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Old 02-23-2008, 04:47 PM   #8
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I found that the stem of the Olympic Rivet breaks off and pulls all the way out if one of the legs cann't expand. This tends to happen if the rib gets in the way. In such case turn the next one so that one leg points away from the offending obstruction. Drilling out one with no center is a pain as it tends to spin. You need to hold it with a pair of needle nose to drill it or shear it off with a stiff putty knife and a good whack.
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Shari,

Thanks for posting this. Strangely, with all the time I've spent on these forums over the last 4 years, I don't think I ever knew that there were rivets that didn't require somebody on the other side "bucking" them! I guess this means that I wouldn't need to remove the inside furniture, skin and insulation just to replace a faded Airstream nameplate on the crown with a new one.

*PHEW!* And splendid!
Mine were put on with pop rivets too. I have them off right now for painting.
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Alot of the non-structural things like placques, signs & trim are held on with pop-rivets as well as some of the interior pieces.

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Alot of the non-structural things like placques, signs & trim are held on with pop-rivets as well as some of the interior pieces.
i.e., ALL the interior skins.
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Sorry Bob you are wrong on this one...

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i.e., ALL the interior skins.
Nope - NOT ALL. In our '56 (and other 13-panel trailers) the end caps are bucked rivets. The domes were put together then installed as one piece and attached to the frame with pop-rivets, but the domed caps themselves and the center panels are bucked. Only the straight skins are pop riveted...

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Drilling out one with no center is a pain as it tends to spin. You need to hold it with a pair of needle nose to drill it or shear it off with a stiff putty knife and a good whack.
Hi, Over59. When drilling out rivets that turn or spin, I hold my drill at an angle and it grinds the center out to a point where the head falls off. Just hold your drill steady and don't go too fast so it won't walk when the rivet head comes off.
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