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Old 06-05-2008, 11:36 PM   #113
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But to my original point, I don't understand the difference in testing methodology used at the service center as compared to what is used in production. The adequacy and test limits are completely different, yet the trailer in for service should perform without leaks as designed when it left the factory when new, so why the difference in test regimen?

Now I understand things can shift and change when a trailer travels down the road, but if find a leak in the area that has been "tested", I will be sorely disappointed as this may have been avoided with the adequate testing at the service department in the first place.

Just my opinion, but open to any schools of thought I may miss.[/quote]

Hi, Bambi_Bandit. I think the answer to you question about the different water tests done are: First, they are only retesting the repaired area. [or areas of concern] Second, I believe the new units are water tested empty; Without an interior installed yet. Third, repair shops are told "Not to sell warranty" so they don't want to find or make new leaks in your trailer. Note: these are my thoughts and opinions.
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Old 06-06-2008, 07:18 AM   #114
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Hi, Bambi_Bandit. I think the answer to you question about the different water tests done are: First, they are only retesting the repaired area. [or areas of concern] Second, I believe the new units are water tested empty; Without an interior installed yet. Third, repair shops are told "Not to sell warranty" so they don't want to find or make new leaks in your trailer. Note: these are my thoughts and opinions.
In Bandit's case, the opened up the interior to buck rivet most of the new sheetmetal. I would have thought that the water test would have been done (and maybe it was) before the inner skins were replaced. With this repair, Bandit basically had as close as could be expected to a vacant interior in the area of repair, on the inside.
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Old 06-06-2008, 09:12 AM   #115
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In Bandit's case, the opened up the interior to buck rivet most of the new sheetmetal. I would have thought that the water test would have been done (and maybe it was) before the inner skins were replaced. With this repair, Bandit basically had as close as could be expected to a vacant interior in the area of repair, on the inside.
Silvertwinkie is correct. The unit was buck riveted to the interior panels were open (at least the front area where the repair was done) and water tested.

I've since had a chance to talk to Dave Shumann about the testing process, and do understand better their thought process behind the current practice. They also do have that pressure testing machine here too, and can do it if needed. I am hopeful and confident that they did find the leaks and address them, but I'm always leary of the strong Texas storms and driving down the road in one too...

Anyways, I guess it was my own fault for deviating on my own thread. Back to the pics and progree of Cosmo at JC, now that I can post pics again... (and bought the memory card with the camera this time)
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Old 06-06-2008, 09:34 AM   #116
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Leak testing continues, although I questioned the adequacy of their test setup used in the service dept., the leaks are showing and being addressed.... There were a few more than Don would have liked to seen, but he found them and fixed them (to the best of what he and I saw).

Re-insulating the voids began as well...
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Old 06-06-2008, 09:43 AM   #117
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Day 7

This is the day the re-insulation was completed, and interior panels began to be installed...

This is also the day I forgot the memory card for the camera.......so no pics today...

The great folks in service tried their hardest to get me out that afternoon, but it was a bit too much.

Between finding and testing for water leaks, fishing for wires in the overhead locker above the bed, and other misc warranty work, it was best not to rush them and stay another night at the hotel...
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Old 06-06-2008, 09:49 AM   #118
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Day 8

Interior walls completed, furniture back in, and drapes going back up.. (I have the classic day/night shades instead of the normal CCD roller blinds and curtains. (http://www.airforums.com/forums/f485...pes-35146.html)
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Old 06-06-2008, 09:56 AM   #119
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Hey Kevin,

Everything looking good!

Get back on the road soon!

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Some of the other things done while we were here...

Here's a few other things we did that I can share in pics.
  1. Baffled furnace vent under the dinette. I hated how the furnace (due to it's location) pushed so much heat to the rear dinette area while the front bed was cold. The climate control thermostat was also in the front bedroom so the furnace ran too hot in the rear to get to the set point on the thermostat up front. Airstream's fix it to replace the vent under the dinette with a baffled one, open or close as needed. We'll see how well this works come wintertime...
  2. Updated the Dometic Air distribution box to the new style. This is what is shipping on the 2009 models. It's a bit lower profile, and allows air distribution to 4 directions versus the 2 in the previous design. It also has a center vent that will literally drop all the air down right under you. Great for me to cool off ASAP after I hook up to a campsite in the Texas summer!!
  3. Updated the 30A power inlets to the Marico Chrome for a nice shiny look (both the front Generator prep one and the one on the street side.
  4. Updated clearance lights to LEDs like the 2009 models.
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I totally agree about the SealTech pressurized leak testing--Gene at AoA did our moho as well as Steve's trailer, and found a LOT of leaks we would have never found just by spraying water on the moho. And I do not see the earlier point about a lot of the gaps found with this test not leaking--they are still gaps in your trailer/moho and will either eventually leak or let bugs/dirt in. I would 100 percent want to find them and seal them!

Kevin, it looks like your trailer is coming together very nicely! You should be very pleased with the results. Thank you again for sharing your experience with all of us.

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Thanks so much for your reporting - it takes a lot of effort on your part and I appreciate it.

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Smile She's done!!...almost...

Well, the good folks at Airstream got me done.... almost... found one little snag. Seems when the upper locker went back up, some laminate de-laminated from the bottom and I have a small bulge... they are working to "fix" it now with a little trimming, they hope!!


Note another "modification" when I was here - I got the 40LB tank cover... still have 30Lb tanks, but planning for an upgrade soon....
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Missssss, Me yet?????? LOL!!!!! Well, are you going to get on the road this weekend?? I know you wont be there, but Ill be back down there in 4 or 5 day's!!!!
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Great job in documenting the repairs to your Airstream, Kevin & Prim! Lots of Karma to you both!

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Thanks for telling us this story as it unfolded. It took a lot of work on your part for the benefit of the many on the forums. It really helps us understand the remanufacturing process and provides valuable insight as others ponder the fix it or forget it choices in maintaining our Airstreams.
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