Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 01-18-2012, 01:41 PM   #1
2 Rivet Member
 
1974 27' Overlander
Twisp , Washington
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 73
Best rivet choice?

I asked this in another thread, but buried in the thread, so thought I'd ask again. Given a choice, am I better off using buck rivets or Olympic? I know I need access to the back side of the panel to use buck rivets, but assuming I have that, is there an advantage to using Olympic rivets anyway? Andy seems to think that Olympics are the way to go regardless, but I've seen other posts claiming that Olympics are leak prone. So what's the consensus? Later.

Dave
__________________

__________________
daved20319 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-18-2012, 01:52 PM   #2
Rivet Master
 
utee94's Avatar
 
1963 26' Overlander
Austin , Texas
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 2,636
I refer to Olympic rivets as single-use clecoes. If you know what a cleco is, then you'll understand the joke.

If you can buck rivet, do it.

I've used Olympics in a handful of places on the trailer, but only because I haven't taken apart the front half yet. When I do, those will all come out, and despite the giant gobs of Vulkem I used during installation, I have no doubt I will see the tell-tale and completely predictable water stains leading down from each and every hole where I placed a single-use cleco. When it all goes back together, it will be bucked in with solid rivet replacements.

Just my opinion, but you asked for it.

Good luck,
-Marcus
__________________

utee94 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-18-2012, 02:08 PM   #3
Rivet Master
 
worldinchaos's Avatar
 
1959 17' Pacer
Long Beach , California
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 920
I'll second Marcus on bucking wherever possible, and my reasoning is two-fold:
1. I don't care what anyone says, Olympics have uneven points of force around the circumference of the seal, thus meaning that if the copious amount of Vulkem you have shoved in the hole and coated on the rivet ever fail, there are 3 uneven points which are more prone to formation of gaps due to minute oscillations/vibrations of the trailer and thus the aluminum skin on which the rivet head sits. Whether that is 1.00001 times or 100 times more likely to create a gap than a flush head rivet, it is still more likely to create a gap. Period.
2. Olympics in bulk cost me $0.230/rivet while the buck rivets I use cost me between $0.018/rivet and $0.030/rivet, or an average of $0.024/rivet. For all intensive purposes, 10% of the cost of Olympics. When replacing all the existing "exploding head rivets" on a PO repair, re-installing the skins to the door frame, constructing a new vent, and patch installations (all the cases where I had access to both sides), I probably used 250 rivets. I just saved ~$50. If I felt I had been jeopardizing the leak proofing of the trailer, that would not have been worth it. Instead, it was a bonus that paid for my freshwater pump.

Granted, I like Andy's disclaimer that he always states: This is all assuming correct installation of the Olympics, and or proper bucking technique. If either are installed poorly, they WILL leak.
__________________
- Peter (and Marie)
TAC CA-15

1959 Pacer 18' Renovation - Knight in Shining Armor

Our Adventure Blog - Documenting our backpacking, hiking, camping, and Airstreaming
(still updating, haven't gotten to the Airstream trips yet)
worldinchaos is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-18-2012, 02:54 PM   #4
Rivet Master
Airstream Dealer
 
Inland RV Center, In's Avatar
 
Corona , California
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 16,499
Images: 1
Olympic rivets, indded, can leak.

To prevent that, they must be installed "CORRECTLY".

The correct way is to put a small amount of Vulkem on the back side of the rivet head, before the rivet is inserted into the hole.

Not doing that, is begging for a leak.

Again, "how" something is done is just as important as "what was done".

Andy
__________________
Inland RV Center, In is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
What Kind of Rivet Do I need? Why Olympic rivets? Kyle-King Ribs, Skins & Rivets 10 03-27-2012 10:47 PM
Solid rivet question 65 wonton Ribs, Skins & Rivets 2 11-15-2011 05:13 PM
50's Hehr roof vent lifter arm rivet tool vintageair Roof Vents, Skylights & Fans 12 06-29-2011 02:37 PM
Rivet Tutorial TX_Argosy Ribs, Skins & Rivets 5 05-24-2011 05:19 PM
Where to oil a rivet gun? DanielB Ribs, Skins & Rivets 6 04-30-2011 01:37 PM


Virginia Campgrounds

Reviews provided by




Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 05:08 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.

Airstream is a registered trademark of Airstream Inc. All rights reserved. Airstream trademark used under license to Social Knowledge LLC.