View Poll Results: What finish for that old-time 50's look?
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Spar Varnish?
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9 |
32.14% |
Shellac?
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6 |
21.43% |
Tung Oil?
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5 |
17.86% |
Polyurethane?
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4 |
14.29% |
Other - please explain
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14.29% |
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02-07-2009, 09:48 AM
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#1
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Rivet Master
1956 22' Safari
2015 27' Flying Cloud
Vintage Kin Owner
Conifer/Evergreen
, Colorado
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 12,702
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Which finish on vintage wood?
The cabinets in our '64 GlobeTrotter were in great shape which necessitated minimal work. Not so with our '56 Safari cabinets which were painted and have been stripped down to the bare wood. They are birch - most are original, some new pieces and some new birch veneers over the original cabinets where the damage & staining was too great. I LOVE the old-time, high gloss, clear/amber finish in the '50s trailers but also want it to be maintenance free or low maintenance after we are done.
I am considering Spar Varnish, Shellac, Tung Oil and Poly-Urethane.
What should I use for an "original" look? Are there any I should absolutely stay away from in this application? Any others I should consider?
Shari
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02-07-2009, 10:02 AM
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#2
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Rivet Master
Airstream Dealer
Corona
, California
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 16,497
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Quote:
Originally Posted by InsideOut
The cabinets in our '64 GlobeTrotter were in great shape which necessitated minimal work. Not so with our '56 Safari cabinets which were painted and have been stripped down to the bare wood. They are birch - most are original, some new pieces and some new birch veneers over the original cabinets where the damage & staining was too great. I LOVE the old-time, high gloss, clear/amber finish in the '50s trailers but also want it to be maintenance free or low maintenance after we are done.
I am considering Spar Varnish, Shellac, Tung Oil and Poly-Urethane.
What should I use for an "original" look? Are there any I should absolutely stay away from in this application? Any others I should consider?
Shari
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Shari.
There are many types of furniture paints, and most have some sort of draw back.
We use a clear paint, or you can tint it if you wish, that is not harmed by UV, is water proof, takes a beating, and you can wax it if you wish.
Big secret? Nah.
Tons of gloss.
Ordinary high quality "automotive clear."
You can brush it or spray it, depending on how you thin it.
We have used it for years.
Andy
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02-07-2009, 11:01 AM
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#3
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1972 Travelux Princess 25
Cobourg
, Ontario
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 1,059
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Spar varnish for the original "glow". This stuff will last for 50 years inside a trailer. Then give it another coat and it will be beautiful for another 50 years.
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02-07-2009, 11:05 AM
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Vintage Alum. Enthusiast
1959 24' Tradewind
Phoenix
, Arizona
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: I currently do not own a 2nd Airstream
Posts: 4,360
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When we redid our TradeWind, we used spar varnish and are very happy with the results. Its not extremely high gloss but it is shiny. Spar is used on boat interiors and exterior wood so we figured it would hold up to anything inside an Airstream.
Good luck with your decision.
Brad
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02-07-2009, 11:31 AM
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#5
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4 Rivet Member
1961 22' Safari
Union
, Oregon
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 477
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A trailer is just a landlocked boat so, from a builder of wooden boats-----Spar varnish.
Sam
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02-07-2009, 11:38 AM
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Rivet Master
1964 22' Safari
Elyria
, Ohio
Join Date: Dec 2002
Posts: 780
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I used a Spar urethane finish in my 64. I do not know the difference from a spar varnish. I do know that is more water resistant, and has that UV protecting quality that you want in a trailer usage situation.
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02-07-2009, 11:43 AM
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#7
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1 Rivet Member
1964 19' Globetrotter
New Orleans
, Louisiana
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 9
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I have been using a product called crystalac for a few years. It is a waterborne finish. I am very happy with its ease of use and quality. I plan on using it for my cabinets when it comes time for finishing. They also have a marine grade varnish called Crabcote. Check out their website and see what you think. www.crystalac.com
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02-07-2009, 12:45 PM
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#8
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Rivet Master
2006 25' Safari FB SE
St. Cloud
, Minnesota
Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 13,280
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I've got shellac on doors and millwork in my house. It's mighty fragile stuff and easy to mar. We're refinishing as we can and have to be very careful not to leave any lac residue -- it can cause hot spots (adhesion, bubbling) under alkyd varnishes.
I sure like Pratt & Lambert Varmor satin urethane. It's what you'd call oil based, so it's a little pricy for not being VOC compliant. Personally I don't know if I'd want the 'build' (thickness) of a spar varnish. Either spar varnishes or urethanes are as tough as they come though.
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02-07-2009, 12:58 PM
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Rivet Master
2002 19' Bambi
Lafayette
, California
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 1,566
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"Spar" varnishes are formulated to be UV resistant, which is not necessary for interior cabinets. Such varnishes are commonly yellower than oil-based varnishes for interior use. Almost all varnishes will yellow over time. Some of the water-based clear finishes do not yellow on their own, but the underlying wood may yellow with time to achieve the "look" you want.
For ease of application, some of the rub-on urethane or polyurethane finishes are hard to beat and they are capable of producing a very nice finish with several coats. Minwax and Rocklers both offer good rub-on products of this type and they produce a somewhat golden finish. The Rocklers finish produces a satiny gloss and Minwax offers both satin and gloss versions.
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02-07-2009, 01:29 PM
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#10
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4 Rivet Member
1963 24' Tradewind
San Diego
, California
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 360
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The spar varnish has an amber tone to it and it will change the color of the stain,may yellow, darken the wood color etc. also it is an oil base coating that requires paint thinner to clean up, it can be a little messy and sticky. Being an oil base it takes longer to dry and extra long in areas with high humidity. The newer water borne clear coats are great. They will not yellow, change the color of the stain or wood. Works well in all climates, multi coats can be applied in a short time, sands easy, easy clean up etc. Home Depot has a few to chose from Fletco Varethane Diamond Finish in different sheens satin, semi gloss, gloss. I like the satin finish it looks hand rubbed
and easy to touch up. Good Luck
I voted other "Water Borne Clear Coats"
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02-07-2009, 01:43 PM
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#11
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Rivet Master
1956 22' Safari
2015 27' Flying Cloud
Vintage Kin Owner
Conifer/Evergreen
, Colorado
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 12,702
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My thoughts so far...
- Wouldn't the UV protection of Spar Varnish be a good thing in a trailer with as many windows as we have?
- We are most likely NOT going to stain the wood first - we like the light birch - and it's most like the original
- I don't mind yellowing or the amber cast - adds character & looks vintage IMO
- We want a gloss to high-gloss finish like a boat interior
- LOVE the look of Shellac - but we're feeling it's not right because of it's fragility and incompatibility with water
- I guess we are leaning towards the Spar Varnish but the idea of 4+ coats with 48 hours between coats is a bit overwhelming - we do have day jobs :grin:
Keep your thoughts & suggestions coming in...I don't have to make a decision today - still lots of prep-work & re-veneering to do ~
Shari
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02-07-2009, 02:19 PM
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Aluminum in 3-D
1968 28' Ambassador
Seaside
, Oregon
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 580
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I guess I'm the only Shellac lover here, but that is what I put on all my 81 excella cabinets and even the table, I have venered all cabinets with bamboo then shellac 2 or 3 coats (like 10 min between coats) then I sealed with a water based poly. Holding up well and the reason I used the shallac is the color it gives the cabinets. On the 68 Ambassador I'm just using a low sheen polyurathane or varnish to give the waxed look for the walnut walls.
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02-07-2009, 02:21 PM
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#13
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4 Rivet Member
1963 24' Tradewind
San Diego
, California
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 360
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Road Trip ! May I suggest that you go to Home Depot or ? and pick up a good size piece of wood similar to the wood in your AS, then a small can each of the finishes you are considering and do sample boards. That way you can see the finish and workability of each coating. It shouldn't cost to much. Don't rule out the new water borne clear coats until you give them a try, gloss finish re-coat in 45 min. When applying an oil base Spar Varnish do not apply it to thick, it will skim over before it dries and the solvents will not evaporate and the finish will wrinkle, thin coats are best. Again Good Luck
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02-07-2009, 02:24 PM
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4 Rivet Member
1963 24' Tradewind
San Diego
, California
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 360
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Blue Pearl, They do look GOOD!!
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02-07-2009, 02:59 PM
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Rivet Master
1956 22' Safari
2015 27' Flying Cloud
Vintage Kin Owner
Conifer/Evergreen
, Colorado
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 12,702
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sixty3TW4US
Road Trip ! May I suggest that you go to Home Depot or ? and pick up a good size piece of wood similar to the wood in your AS, then a small can each of the finishes you are considering and do sample boards. That way you can see the finish and workability of each coating. It shouldn't cost to much. Don't rule out the new water borne clear coats until you give them a try, gloss finish re-coat in 45 min. When applying an oil base Spar Varnish do not apply it to thick, it will skim over before it dries and the solvents will not evaporate and the finish will wrinkle, thin coats are best. Again Good Luck
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I'm in process of doing that this weekend. I have leftover veneer and the inside of one cabinet "in testing" as we speak.
The helps with the color...not so much with the long term durability ~
Shari
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02-07-2009, 03:01 PM
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Rivet Master
1956 22' Safari
2015 27' Flying Cloud
Vintage Kin Owner
Conifer/Evergreen
, Colorado
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 12,702
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Blue Pearl
I guess I'm the only Shellac lover here, but that is what I put on all my 81 excella cabinets and even the table, I have venered all cabinets with bamboo then shellac 2 or 3 coats (like 10 min between coats) then I sealed with a water based poly. Holding up well and the reason I used the shallac is the color it gives the cabinets. On the 68 Ambassador I'm just using a low sheen polyurathane or varnish to give the waxed look for the walnut walls.
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Hmmm...interesting! I love the look of the shellac - if the poly would give it more durability, you might be onto something there ~
Shari
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02-07-2009, 04:26 PM
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Rivet Master
2006 25' Safari FB SE
St. Cloud
, Minnesota
Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 13,280
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Sounds like a 'go' then, Shari. Not like Lily or MrInsideOut don't care for Birdy just like you.
I haven't really voted in the poll but could tally behind shellac if it helps. Spar varnish just sounds more piratical though. Aaaaarghh!
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02-07-2009, 07:01 PM
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Rivet Master
1956 22' Safari
2015 27' Flying Cloud
Vintage Kin Owner
Conifer/Evergreen
, Colorado
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 12,702
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CanoeStream
Not like Lily or MrInsideOut don't care for Birdy just like you.
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Yeah and of course, Lily's vote counts double!
Shari
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02-07-2009, 07:43 PM
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Rivet Master
1977 Argosy Minuet 6.0 Metre
1964 26' Overlander
1977 25' Tradewind
Eastern
, Washington
Join Date: Jan 2004
Posts: 865
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Deft Brushing Lacquer.
Been using it for 30+ years and I Love it.
Penetrates, drys quick, good solid finish. Repairs easily, clean your wax off and the new coat will melt the old finish and your repair will disappear.
Two to three coats then finish with a Carnuba Wax cover.
The only thing to look out for is the smell, it will knock you flat, use lots of ventilation.
http://www.deftfinishes.com/trade/as...log%20Page.pdf
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02-07-2009, 08:52 PM
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Rivet Master
1971 21' Globetrotter
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Arvada
, Colorado
Join Date: May 2006
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I'm partial to shellac to seal the wood then thinned down poly wiped on with a staining pad. I sometimes tint the poly to give a little color. After the poly is on, a glaze coat of gel stain can also be used to richen things up a bit , then more thinned down and wiped on poly.
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