Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 03-30-2005, 08:43 AM   #1
Rivet Master
 
fireflyinva's Avatar
 
1961 22' Safari
Vienna , Virginia
Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 579
Images: 3
What the Heck is Catalyzed Lacquer?

OK, have been busting my but the past two weekends trying to refinish my dull woodwork. I've been stripping, sanding and (danish) oiling my darned oak woodwork dawn to dusk four full days ! Blech! Ive worn out two pairs of rubber gloves, I have semi permanent marks on my face from my respirator, the kitchen is done, but the bedroom area is only half complete. I'm also getting inconsistent results--wood with a small grain looks amazing, wood with prominent grain and rings looks worse. So, now of all times (I suppose better late than never), I notice what is written on the VAC FAQ for interiors:

Quote:
From 1947 to 1971, the finish was a natural finish semi-gloss catalyzed lacquer except on the exotic woods (mahogany, cherry, walnut), where the finish was a Natural Oil Finish. From 1972 to the present-day Polyurethane finishes, it was wood-grain vinyl.
Legend has it to be one exception: the interior wood of the then inexpensive 1961-1963 Bambi was finished with an opaque paint/varnish. This was done because the plywood veneer used was visually flawed and had been rejected by the production line for the larger Airstreams.

The FAQ goes on to suggest using Fornby's Restorer, then finishing with Mohawk's satin Pre-Catalyzed Lacquer reduced with the Lacquer Reducer 2255. I went to Mohawk's website and they only sell to dealers. Problem is, I can't find a dealer! So, armed with this information, I went down to my local woodworking store and asked them. The moment I said "Pre-Catalyzed" I got blank expression that could only translate into "what the * is she babbling about?..." They didn't know what I was talking about and these guys are finishing geeks!

OK, I figure I'm doomed to resand all the grainy looking bits of woodwork (or do you think I can just lay it on the danish oil--it is also an oil product?), then I'd like to use some approximation of that laquer. Anyone know where I can get it--or a brand that is available?

Thanks if you know anything!

Mary
__________________

__________________
fireflyinva is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-30-2005, 09:48 AM   #2
Site Team
 
, Minnesota
Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 6,940
Images: 59
Mary,

I'm not an expert, but I think the reason you can't find precat lacquer is that it has a limited shelf life. It's was mostly used by manufacturers (like Airstream) because it is easy to get a durable finish using industrial spray equipment.

Because it has a short (6 month) shelf life, it's not something your regular woodworking store would keep in stock. A company like Airstream used enough to keep the product fresh, and they probably ordered it fresh every month from the manufacturer.

Not to discourage you. I'm sure you can find it if you look hard enough. Call larger specialty paint retailers.

I don't know how well it will work over freshly oiled finishes.
__________________

__________________
markdoane is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-30-2005, 01:11 PM   #3
Rivet Master
 
fireflyinva's Avatar
 
1961 22' Safari
Vienna , Virginia
Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 579
Images: 3
Thanks for the info. I suppose I'm going to have to search for this. Never thought buying lacquer would become like tracking down an old airstream part! Oh, the adventures just keep on coming!

Mary
__________________
fireflyinva is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-30-2005, 01:15 PM   #4
Site Team
 
Janet H's Avatar

 
1964 26' Overlander
1964 19' Globetrotter
Eastern , Washington
Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 12,443
Images: 90
Don't know about the techie stuff but Deft brand finish is a lacquer and availabe at most hardware stores.
__________________
1964 Overlander | '08 Touareg V6
Current Project: 1964 Globetrotter

.
Let's have a polishing party: I'll supply the trailer and buffing supplies. BYOB (bring your own buffer)

AirForums Custom Search
Janet H is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-30-2005, 01:34 PM   #5
Site Team
 
, Minnesota
Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 6,940
Images: 59
Deft brand lacquer is not catalyzed, and it has a retarder.

The retarder is to let the lacquer lay down flat when applied with a brush. I definitely think Deft is what I would use in this application
__________________
markdoane is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-30-2005, 01:34 PM   #6
Rivet Master
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 2,183
Quote:
Originally Posted by fireflyinva
OK, have been busting my but the past two weekends trying to refinish my dull woodwork. I've been stripping, sanding and (danish) oiling my darned oak woodwork dawn to dusk four full days ! Blech! Ive worn out two pairs of rubber gloves, I have semi permanent marks on my face from my respirator, the kitchen is done, but the bedroom area is only half complete. I'm also getting inconsistent results--wood with a small grain looks amazing, wood with prominent grain and rings looks worse. So, now of all times (I suppose better late than never), I notice what is written on the VAC FAQ for interiors:


The FAQ goes on to suggest using Fornby's Restorer, then finishing with Mohawk's satin Pre-Catalyzed Lacquer reduced with the Lacquer Reducer 2255. I went to Mohawk's website and they only sell to dealers. Problem is, I can't find a dealer! So, armed with this information, I went down to my local woodworking store and asked them. The moment I said "Pre-Catalyzed" I got blank expression that could only translate into "what the * is she babbling about?..." They didn't know what I was talking about and these guys are finishing geeks!

OK, I figure I'm doomed to resand all the grainy looking bits of woodwork (or do you think I can just lay it on the danish oil--it is also an oil product?), then I'd like to use some approximation of that laquer. Anyone know where I can get it--or a brand that is available?

Thanks if you know anything!

Mary
Catalyzed lacquer - When you dip a feline in paint.
__________________
Anon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-30-2005, 07:48 PM   #7
4 Rivet Member
 
silver 67's Avatar
 
1967 30' Sovereign
Leavenworth , Kansas
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 382
Images: 3
It's all in the hardener

Just like Don said, pre cat has a shelf life of six months. Basically, pre cat has a hardener added to it just prior to sale. This hardener also makes the lacquer dry quickly and smooth. It will be dry to touch in 10 to 20 minutes and completely dry anywhere from 24 hours to 1 week, depending upon humidity. Items should not be laid, leaned or propped against the finish until completely dry.

How do I know this? My son is a custom cabinet maker and uses this almost exclusively (except for the hand rubbed tung oil finish on my new dining room table).

The source ---- Sherwin-Williams.
__________________
Beth and/or David

67 Sovereign, double bed, rear bath-"Moby"
2005 Dodge Ram 2500 Hemi, Quad Cab-"Ahab"
"Vintage trailer, vintage owners"
silver 67 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-30-2005, 08:35 PM   #8
Rivet Master
 
Tarheel's Avatar
 
2001 34' Limited S/O
Moyock , North Carolina
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 1,010
Images: 21
I used Deft on my stained cabinets in the house. Its a good product, easy to use, and easy to repair when needed. I sprayed mine but it works just as well with a brush.
__________________
Keep the shiny side up.
WBCCI # 348
Past Region 3 President
Past President Tidewater Unit 111
Rick Bell in "Silverbell"
Tarheel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-30-2005, 10:05 PM   #9
Vintage Alum. Enthusiast
 
flyfshr's Avatar

 
1959 24' Tradewind
Phoenix , Arizona
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: I currently do not own a 2nd Airstream
Posts: 4,319
Images: 40
I didn't think it had something to do with a feline, I thought it was all about the eyes of a cow. Silly me.

FF
__________________
4CU 2699 / AIR 10 / TAC AZ-1

I'm haunted by aluminum.
Charter Member of the 4 Corners Unit.
flyfshr is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-30-2005, 10:06 PM   #10
Just a member
 
thenewkid64's Avatar
 
1978 28' Argosy 28
Tampa Bay , Florida
Join Date: Mar 2002
Posts: 4,539
Images: 21
Send a message via AIM to thenewkid64 Send a message via Yahoo to thenewkid64 Send a message via Skype™ to thenewkid64
Quote:
Originally Posted by flyfshr
I didn't think it had something to do with a feline, I thought it was all about the eyes of a cow. Silly me.
I though that was spelled cattelized licker
__________________
Brett G
WBCCI #5501 AIR # 49
-------------------------
1978 Argosy 28 foot Motorhome

Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something. -- Plato


thenewkid64 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-31-2005, 12:10 AM   #11
Creampuff
 
Creampuff's Avatar
 
1957 22' Flying Cloud
1971 31' Sovereign
1976 29' Ambassador
Malibu , California
Join Date: Apr 2002
Posts: 513
Images: 60
Mary:
I used to refinish furniture/ woodwork for a living. Although catalyst lacquers are very durable they contain formaldehyde and will those emit odors in your trailer for quite awhile and give you nasty headaches.
My advice is to stick to the Deft brushing lacquers, which do not require spray gun facilities and you will get very satisfactory results.
We used to only use pre-cat in industrial and institutional applications.
__________________
Murray
AIR #189

"If aluminum isn't magnetic- why am I so attracted to to it?"
Creampuff is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-31-2005, 08:33 AM   #12
Rivet Master
 
fireflyinva's Avatar
 
1961 22' Safari
Vienna , Virginia
Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 579
Images: 3
I think I might try that Deft stuff. Looks like its available at my local "Home Despot."

Thanks (meeow)

Mary
__________________
fireflyinva is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-31-2005, 09:10 AM   #13
Rivet Master
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 2,183
Quote:
Originally Posted by flyfshr
I didn't think it had something to do with a feline, I thought it was all about the eyes of a cow. Silly me.

FF
HeeHee!!!!
Too funny!
__________________
Anon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-31-2005, 09:11 AM   #14
Rivet Master
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 2,183
Quote:
Originally Posted by thenewkid64
I though that was spelled cattelized licker
I have found out that cows really do not like being licked!
__________________

__________________
Anon is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
"Now Let's See You"? brunoffrance Off Topic Forum 132 11-13-2006 03:27 PM
What The Heck Are These For? Gwen General Interior Topics 7 03-28-2004 10:24 AM
What the heck is this? JimC Batteries, Univolts, Converters & Inverters 2 10-04-2003 03:24 PM
what is this alum. sob? john hd Vintage Kin 13 02-13-2003 05:17 PM
What the heck is that switch on the wall??? TRAPEZE Airstream Motorhome Forums 7 09-10-2002 05:05 AM


Virginia Campgrounds

Reviews provided by




Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 02:41 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.

Airstream is a registered trademark of Airstream Inc. All rights reserved. Airstream trademark used under license to Social Knowledge LLC.