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Old 09-24-2006, 01:12 PM   #1
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Plastic Hinge source for Cerritos built units

Hi all,
I did a search on plastic hinge material on the forums and came up with no matches after hours of reading threads; so I will try the power of the forum!

Here is my problem. After 36 years the plastic hinges on my storage bin covers on the Caravel are all almost at once beginning to fail leaving now 3 and soon four free floating pull down doors .

Last year I talked to some other vintage owners at the Brooks (OR) outing and discovered by inspection of a Jackson Center built 1971 unit his hinges and covers were slightly different, (enough so they might not easily interchange) and also noted some had used metal piano hinge which to me was not a good solution. Any suggestions out there? The hinge is asymetrical as it bends only on one edge and folds up smooth so both door halves slide in out of the way. I found one plastic hinge manufacturer on the internet that could run off a custom batch; I am willing to do this if others are interested or better yet maybe we could talk Steve at Vintage or Andy at Inland into participating if there is no there is no other source. I await the power of the forum, and please send me a private message if someone wants me to post some photos.

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Old 09-25-2006, 01:26 PM   #2
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Can you post a picture of your existing hinge for those of us with possible "ideas" but not a 1970 model to refer to?

May help get a better response...

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Hi all,
I did a search on plastic hinge material on the forums and came up with no matches after hours of reading threads; so I will try the power of the forum!

Here is my problem. After 36 years the plastic hinges on my storage bin covers on the Caravel are all almost at once beginning to fail leaving now 3 and soon four free floating pull down doors .

Last year I talked to some other vintage owners at the Brooks (OR) outing and discovered by inspection of a Jackson Center built 1971 unit his hinges and covers were slightly different, (enough so they might not easily interchange) and also noted some had used metal piano hinge which to me was not a good solution. Any suggestions out there? The hinge is asymetrical as it bends only on one edge and folds up smooth so both door halves slide in out of the way. I found one plastic hinge manufacturer on the internet that could run off a custom batch; I am willing to do this if others are interested or better yet maybe we could talk Steve at Vintage or Andy at Inland into participating if there is no there is no other source. I await the power of the forum, and please send me a private message if someone wants me to post some photos.

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Old 09-30-2006, 01:38 PM   #4
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Can you post a picture of your existing hinge for those of us with possible "ideas" but not a 1970 model to refer to?

May help get a better response...

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InsideOut,
I was gone for a while, and forgot to post the photos. I will do this soon after I reduce them to meet the forum requirements. I think ZoomZoom may have found the solution
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Old 09-30-2006, 01:45 PM   #5
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Talking Thanks ZoomZoom!

Thanks ZoomZoom. I totally forgot about Mcmasters/Carr; I used to buy from often them when I was with GE. It looks like they have a good solution that will nearly duplicate the original in appearance. I will post the photos of the existing hinge in a day or two after I reduce the size to meet the forum requirements. Good job!!

Way Cool; the forum really works!!
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Old 10-01-2006, 12:58 PM   #6
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Plastic Hinge Photos.

Hi to all,
Attached are the plastic hinge photos from the Caravel. The door panels are all 3/8" thick. Some of the Jackson Center units I have seen that were built later in the 70's used 1/4" thick material if my memory is correct. You can see how the hinges were attached- good old-fashioned staples.
PS: I will be on the road for a month, leaving next week, (including a stop at Jackson Center) with the Excella, doing what Airtreamers were intended to do. Thanks in advance to all for any suggestions that you may have.
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Old 02-21-2009, 10:12 PM   #7
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Did anyone ever find a source for these plastic hinges?

Mine are also failing, and the duct tape I used in an emergency is failing, and it's time for a more permanent solution.

I have a 69 and my hinges look the same.

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Old 02-22-2009, 06:29 AM   #8
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Any plastic hinge will have a limited lifetime. They will all fail due to either fatigue or simply aging or exposure to uv or ozone. It is in the nature of any plastic. Of the ones I have engineered, well designed Impact modified nylon hinges made by secondary cold forming have lasted the longest at about 10,000 cycles or ten years. Metal piano hinges work the longest but are ugly. Installing them so they are less visible is an answer.
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See Outwater.com Outwater Plastics - Master 2008 Catalog - page 295
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Thanks Airstream 4. I will give them a try and reply on how this works; it looks very similar to the original. For the others, I did repair one door with a piano hinge. You need an accurate router table and/or a joiner to rabbit for the hinge thickness, and have to route out where the two 1/2's meet to clear the hinge pins and socket. I then added plastic slide guides over the hinge area so it would slide smoothly on the wood. Sorry I forgot to take photos, but to do one door took about 3 hours; plastic hinge replacement would be about 10 minutes I think. I agree with Dwightdi that plastic hinge life is low and time limited. I will order some and try it, will post results when done. Is this forum great or what?? Cudos to ALL!!
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Thanks Airstream 4. I will give them a try and reply on how this works; it looks very similar to the original. For the others, I did repair one door with a piano hinge. You need an accurate router table and/or a joiner to rabbit for the hinge thickness, and have to route out where the two 1/2's meet to clear the hinge pins and socket. I then added plastic slide guides over the hinge area so it would slide smoothly on the wood. Sorry I forgot to take photos, but to do one door took about 3 hours; plastic hinge replacement would be about 10 minutes I think. I agree with Dwightdi that plastic hinge life is low and time limited. I will order some and try it, will post results when done. Is this forum great or what?? Cudos to ALL!!
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Did you ever try the plastic hinges from Outwater? Got the same problem with my 68.
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My third hinge started to break, so it was time to bite the bullet. The size in the Outwater catalog is 3/8" and comes in black, white and beige, however, the beige requires contacting them. Upon contacting them, I was told that the beige is a minimum order of 5,000 feet whereas black or white is $25 worth. All I needed was 12 ft!

So I got 24 feet of white (matches the white cabinet latches). It arrived in 2 days and works perfectly. It took less than an hour to replace all the hinges and I couldn't be happier.

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