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03-07-2008, 09:55 AM
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3 Rivet Member
2009 27' FB Classic
Southlake
, Texas
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How is this detail done?
I have really looked closely at Winnick's work and one of the details I really like is his "rounded corners" on the cabinets. Is this easily done? How do you do it?
Thanks.
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03-07-2008, 10:08 AM
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More than one rivet loose
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Los Alamos
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the images are too small to see what you are talking about.
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03-07-2008, 10:09 AM
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Tom, the Uber Disney Fan
2006 30' Safari
Orlando
, Florida
Join Date: Aug 2004
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Photos are too small and won't enlarge when you click on them.
Our Safari has a half round trim piece added to the edge of the panels to give them the rounded edges. You could use a router with a round-over bit on one edge though.
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03-07-2008, 10:23 AM
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Rivet Master
1956 22' Safari
2015 27' Flying Cloud
Vintage Kin Owner
Conifer/Evergreen
, Colorado
Join Date: Feb 2002
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Our '56 Safri has an approximate 3" radiused corner on the beds. The way it is done is with a 3/16" plywood which is steam bent around a 1x2 frame. I can post a picture later...
They make a product we call "bending ply" which is plywood with all the strands going the same way...it bends without having to steam it. It bends along the grain, so it is directional. It's available in 1/8" & 3/8"...we are planning on using the 1/8" and adding a birch veneer to re-construct our modified beds. (they were originally twins, changed to double by PO, now we're going back to twins).
It's available at larger commercial lumber yards. The one in Denver is Austin Hardwoods
Shari
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03-07-2008, 10:24 AM
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1950 Flying Cloud 7039
1950 21' Flying Cloud
Allen
, Texas
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03-07-2008, 10:43 AM
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Rivet Master
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Florissant
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This thread will offer a better view and explanation.
1962 22' Safari
Carlos is always willing to help people out.
Steve
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03-07-2008, 10:50 AM
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Rivet Master
1962 22' Safari
1957 22' Custom
1963 16' Bambi
Vacationland
, Maine
Join Date: Apr 2006
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rounded corners?
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Originally Posted by oldtrucksrul
I have really looked closely at Winnick's work and one of the details I really like is his "rounded corners" on the cabinets. Is this easily done? How do you do it?
Thanks.
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No, not that easy. But what is? this is how I did it.
I emailed Mr. Winick about information on his metal edging source but no reponse. So After some research and luck found a satin aluminum T-mounding at a large marine supply house. The satin has a dull finish and there is no drill holes. I thought this would be a better look for a 60's model.
My original counters were in OK condition but had sharp pointy corners (painful) and formica edging. They were also chipped and scratched up so time for an upgrade.
I used the original counter in the galley and added a built up lip so the T-mounding would have something to grab on to. After doing that, I decided to replace the other THREE counters in the trailer with new formica and 5/4" baltic birch bases.
All of this was difficult and expensive but competely changes the look and feel of the interior. One of the old complaints about the (many) of the interiors is they did not live up to the exterior look and quality. This looks (and is) very high quality work and materials and looks it.
How about some photos!
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03-07-2008, 11:23 AM
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Rivet Master
1962 22' Safari
1957 22' Custom
1963 16' Bambi
Vacationland
, Maine
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 956
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rounded corners
Here is a few more photos. I hope you can see the bathroom corner detail of the rounded corner. the original sharp and pointed formica must have ruined a few camping trips. I am very talented at finding things to hurt myself on and this got me a few times. (that tip of the counter lower left)
the galley had hip height grabbers and as I mentioned before was just homely looking. This conversion was challenging as i had to replace the stove cover surface and put stainless on the inside suface.
My Safari has 5 (FIVE) counters....six including the stove cover. I did the Galley counter last spring and the rest this spring. Maybe new units have thicker counters for edging.
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03-07-2008, 01:22 PM
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3 Rivet Member
2009 27' FB Classic
Southlake
, Texas
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 144
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Thanks for all of the replies. I'm not sure why they're so small, sorry.
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03-07-2008, 02:19 PM
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1968 17' Caravel
Battle Ground
, Washington
Join Date: Dec 2002
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Very nice work, Safari62!
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03-07-2008, 02:40 PM
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Rivet Master
2012 25' FB Eddie Bauer
Vintage Kin Owner
Virginia Beach
, Virginia
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 7,801
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Jackson Center Tour
I've gone on the tour twice. Last time we saw the shop assembling CCD wall cabinets. These use a single board to form the bottom and face of the cabinet. They use 5/8 particle board with a fairly thick formica type laminate on the outside surface. The inside laminates seems to be thinner. The inside of the cabinet is kerf cut at about 3/8 inch intervals where the bend needs to happen, The kerf cut goes almost all the way through the board leaving maybe 1/16" below the formica. The board was then hand bent by a petite female and the end pieces were nailed on. I'm not positive, but I think the orange base laminate is put on before the kerf cuts are made, then the cuts are made, the cabinet is bent into shape, and an inside white laminate is put on over the kerfs and up the inside. It's pretty darn sturdy when finished.
They do use computerized saws which cut the door openings and do the kerf cuts, but this could easily be done with handtools and jigs.
I know many are not fans of laminates - and I think the Safari's are just one step up from contact paper - but IMHO, heavy duty formica (or similar brands) are our friends. They don't last forever, but most will endure 20 years of daily use, and they aren't hugely expensive to replace. AND they clean up easily.
Anyway I am always an admirer of beautiful craftsmanship.... from a safe distance where I don't have to do it!
On the road again....just can't wait to get on the road again...
Paula
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03-08-2008, 09:11 AM
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Rivet Master
1962 22' Safari
1957 22' Custom
1963 16' Bambi
Vacationland
, Maine
Join Date: Apr 2006
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Stefrobrts
Very nice work, Safari62!
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Thanks. Now i feel better for spending all that time and $. This is one of those jobs I think if one ( i had professional help) does the right the observer cannot tell it was added later. The inspiration was David Winick's work on his Caravel but I have since found other earlier trailers with this detail. We all steal ideas from the past.
There were some International models even in smaller models that had much better quality detail work in their interiors in the late fifties to early sixties. I think some were special order by the owners.
My Safari was pretty plain jane and the counters and sharp corners were ugly and a hazard. One thing I have always liked is the light wood and light colored counter tops. It makes the interior seem larger then the dark wood I think.
Vintage Trailer Supply - Vintage travel trailer parts and supplies! now has the drilled edging and the is other sources listed on Vintage Airstream Home.
Here is what the old counter top looked like. kind of after/before photos.
Someday I'll take photos with sexy bedroom lighting like DW.
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03-08-2008, 10:33 AM
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Rivet Master
2007 25' Classic
Hydes
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You don't have to kerf and bend ply anymore-unless you really want to. You can buy it that way.
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03-08-2008, 10:55 AM
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Rivet Master
1971 27' Overlander
Central
, Ohio
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 2,365
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Craftsman - what store/supplier would that be from. Thanks....
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03-08-2008, 01:14 PM
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Rivet Master
1967 28' Ambassador
1963 19' Globetrotter
1970 29' Ambassador
Waukesha
, Wisconsin
Join Date: May 2007
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ganglin
Craftsman - what store/supplier would that be from. Thanks....
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Here is a place that sells them.
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03-21-2008, 05:52 PM
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3 Rivet Member
1973 25' Tradewind
Romulus
, New York
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 139
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"wiggle wood"
Building curved walls for movie sets we had a bendable 3 ply,4x8 sheets in two directions. I have used them to build round walls al the way down to a 9" radiis. The 4x8 bends the long way and the 8x4 bends the tall way. It is available through anderson plywood and any big laminate supplier can order some. The only drawback is the surface is luan and doesn't accept stain well,
it will paint up nicely though.
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