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Old 09-23-2016, 01:38 PM   #15
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I want to replace the tambour doors in my galley under the sink and also under the bathroom sink with hinged cabinet doors. They always get stuck.

In the galley I think the easiest way is to attach a front face to the existing kitchen sink counter. In the bathroom I think building a new sink cabinet would work best. How useful would a biscuit joiner be for this project?

A biscuit joiner can be effectively used to align the face frame and strengthen the glue joint holding the face frame on the cabinets. As a charter member of the redundant redundancies school of engineering, I would also put in a few pocket screws in the cabinet sides to pull stuff together until the Gorilla glue holding it together dries. Gorilla glue is very strong, but it does expand and foam a bit, and stuff needs to be held together or clamped very well to keep it tight.

Don't use excessive glue no matter what kind. Cleanup is a pain.


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Old 09-23-2016, 02:10 PM   #16
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As a charter member of the redundant redundancies school of engineering,
Thank you for your exquisitely redundant response.

Just wondering, Do you wear a belt and suspenders to hold your pants up?
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For my money, the best thing about doing your own cabinetry is the ability to go ultralight. You go to a shop, you get super heavy plywood, or MDF, or (gasp) particle board. I've found that you can get away with 1/4" plywood with 1/2" edging as structural pieces. I shall once again sing the praises of Eurolite plywood, which looks pretty great when given a few coats of marine varnish.

This winter's project is to do the cabinetry in the galley, which will be 2 layers of 1/8" Eurolite with a 6 oz. epoxyglass core, tormented into curves. The forms that I'll build to get my curves will wind up being the top and bottom of the cabinets.

The vanity in the head shows off a bit of this technique. As soon as you put a bend in plywood, strength goes way up.

BTW: Just installed my new custom mirror that I built...
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Old 09-23-2016, 03:09 PM   #18
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Thank you for your exquisitely redundant response.

Just wondering, Do you wear a belt and suspenders to hold your pants up?

Nope. Engineer, not silly. Pants stay up just fine.

I have found using biscuits as an alignment tool for the pocket screws is a convenient way of keeping parts aligned while I glue things together. They also make the joints much stronger. I had issues with pocket screws alone pushing parts out of line. I use oak and maple, and the harder wood causes issues with just pocket screws.


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For my money, the best thing about doing your own cabinetry is the ability to go ultralight. You go to a shop, you get super heavy plywood, or MDF, or (gasp) particle board. I've found that you can get away with 1/4" plywood with 1/2" edging as structural pieces. I shall once again sing the praises of Eurolite plywood, which looks pretty great when given a few coats of marine varnish.

This winter's project is to do the cabinetry in the galley, which will be 2 layers of 1/8" Eurolite with a 6 oz. epoxyglass core, tormented into curves. The forms that I'll build to get my curves will wind up being the top and bottom of the cabinets.

The vanity in the head shows off a bit of this technique. As soon as you put a bend in plywood, strength goes way up.

BTW: Just installed my new custom mirror that I built...
Looks beautiful but you don't look like a Suzy to me. Post some more photos please.
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I've found a trick for woodworking. I quickly discovered what I'm no good at and I stopped doing it. ;0)

Biscuit joint fall neatly into that category!

I use pocket screws and make sure the joint is glued and clamped together SUPER TIGHT before driving in the screw. The darn angled screw will pull the joint upward otherwise.

I agree that nice light cabinets are the best bet for an Airstream. Now if I can only figure out what to use my biscuit joiner for...
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To the OP.

Does the thought of building your own cabinets excite you? How long ago was your shop class?

I've built cabinets and furniture for years, semi professionally. This is what I tell people who want to build their own;

If you're on a budget, have all (or most) of the tools already, and want to try your hand at it, then I say go for it. If you'd rather spend your time doing something else and can afford a profession, do that. USUALLY a professional will build it faster and better, but they will lack some of the passion you can bring.

It is fun to know that you built it, but marriages are difficult enough without another project if neither of you want to tackle it.

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Where did you find that diverter faucet. I need a new one.
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To the OP.

Does the thought of building your own cabinets excite you? How long ago was your shop class?

I've built cabinets and furniture for years, semi professionally. This is what I tell people who want to build their own;

If you're on a budget, have all (or most) of the tools already, and want to try your hand at it, then I say go for it. If you'd rather spend your time doing something else and can afford a profession, do that. USUALLY a professional will build it faster and better, but they will lack some of the passion you can bring.

It is fun to know that you built it, but marriages are difficult enough without another project if neither of you want to tackle it.

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I agree with this and will add, maybe try a small cabinet fist and don't wait too long to give up if needed.
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Where did you find that diverter faucet. I need a new one.
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It's a Dura Faucet RV Lavatory Faucet w/ Shower Diverter DF-PL720A-CP
and a RV Shower Head & Hose Kit (Finish: Brushed Satin Nickel)
DF-SA130-SN

more pics of the vanity... The top is epoxy cloth coated OSB with cherry edges. Sea Dog Line push button latches.

... and that's MISTER Homemaker to you, fella!
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It's a Dura Faucet RV Lavatory Faucet w/ Shower Diverter DF-PL720A-CP
and a RV Shower Head & Hose Kit (Finish: Brushed Satin Nickel)
DF-SA130-SN

more pics of the vanity... The top is epoxy cloth coated OSB with cherry edges. Sea Dog Line push button latches.

... and that's MISTER Homemaker to you, fella!
Mr. Suzy Homemaker,
Your bathroom look would work perfect in my Tradewind. I make a motion you start your own thread on your project. Inquiring minds want to know.

Where are the Dura Faucet and Sea Dog latches available?

By the way my wife, Flordemayo, is something of a celeb and I am often called Mr. Flordemayo.
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One thing to take into account is weight. That's why as we rebuild our interior we are essentially making just the face frames.
As a skilled professional cabinetmaker who made his own cabinets for my 310 turbo diesel, this is the method I chose. I use soid pine rails and styles of varoius widths as needed and Dominoe'd them together with hardwood biscuits. The resulting faceframe if assembled square will always remain square. The gables I attached to the facframe were only long enough to mount drawer slides on to and that's it; no bottoms or backs and the counter top is the top.

The Domino system is the strongest way to attach faceframe components.

http://www.festoolcanada.com/power-tools/joiners/

As far as counter top material I use a form of solid surface laminate. It is 1/16" thick and white throughout, so no black backer lines.I also used 1/2" baltic birch as the underlay for the top itself.

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The Domino system is the strongest way to attach faceframe components.

http://www.festoolcanada.com/power-tools/joiners/


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The Domino is my next larger tool purchase. It is an awesome system. I've been using the horizontal boring table on my minimax, but the domino would say me a lot of time. I haven't experienced tool envy in while. Thanks for that
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I was "lucky" to find an inexpensive cabinet guy off Craigslist. Our deal was that he'd make the cabinets to my dimensions, and then I'd cut the back curves and around the wheel wells and the like, and I'd install them.

He was cheap and good, but it took for-freakin'-ever! The good part of that was that I'd go over to his shop, take him a chorizo burro for lunch, and watch and ask questions. I picked up a bunch of good tips on how the pros make cabinets!!

I also learned where he got his materials.
Pro tip: It ain't the orange place, the blue place, or the place where they sell you a tiny piece of onga-bonga wood for fifteen dollars.
I ended up making the upper cabinets myself, as well as the dinette. I did have him make the doors for the upper cabinets, because I can't do mitered corners for crap. (That may change since I got a better [non HFT] miter saw).

The two most important tools to have will be a good table saw and a Kreg pocket hole jig set. A good miter saw won't hurt any, either.
Ditto! I used flat T brackets and bent them to attach to the back and inner mounting points so I could use olympic rivets to fasten to the inner skin. Kreg tool is perfect for these "smaller" project.

https://www.lowes.com/pd/Stanley-Nat...ackets/3169829
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