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Old 10-17-2007, 05:56 AM   #1
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Boatdoc's 26' Argosy project.

Hi Folks;
Being very excited, I cannot wait till mid December to resume work on our Argosy. SS frame has been finished last spring and exterior was painted. All exterior lighting is in place. During the past summer we have purchased 15 pc. of 4' x 8' x 4 MM Okume Marine plywood for the interior. Having very little time for it during summer, I was forced to cheat a bit on the business and managed to put three coats of Interlux Gold Spar Urethane Varnish. First three coats were applied with 1/4 nap Mohair roller and flattened with 9" SHUR-LINE Pad which was vigorously blown out with compressed air to get rid of any loose lint. All were wet sanded with 320 between each coat. Last weekend I have made an attempt to put a fourth and final coat. After doing two sheets I have noticed some dust in the varnish which was strained and floor was wet. I decided to stop because my shop is too dusty to have a mirror finish top coat. Called my friend Tommy who has a very large downdraft paint booth, and it turned out that it will be all mine upcoming Saturday. I must say I am amazed at the latest Interlux formula of Gold Spar. It is very hard and brilliant, when thinned with Penetrol. I am also glad that my wife did not let me stain the panels, they are gorgeous in natural color.

Aside of this we have acquired needed appliances during the summer.
Got Low Profile Carrier AC 15000 BTU, Attwood 6 Gal. LP Water Heater, Suburban Dynatrail NT-30SP Furnace and Norcold three way 6.5 Cu Ft Fridge.
I have to do some changes in my wiring,, before my wife paints the interior skins Sea Foam green, before going full time at the project this winter.

To tell the truth I have no concrete ideas on details for the interior but the floor plan is set. One thing for sure all wood grain will be running same direction, which is up and down. Inner skins and counter tops will be the only parts that are not varnished. Tub area will have white color Rhino Liner sprayed on. For the floor we have 1/4" cork underlayment and ceramic coated cork tiles over the underlayment. Reason for cork was the fact that cork has good anti-microbial qualities which will eliminate possible growth of mold.

Now for plumbing. I have very few clues when it comes to plumbing, but I guess I will have to learn quick. I may have to lean on some expertise from our members, when the time comes. Pex tubing installation lessons will be on the agenda as well.

I will be posting the rate of progress come December. Thanks, "Boatdoc"
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Old 10-17-2007, 06:09 AM   #2
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How exciting for you. Remember lots and lots of pictures are needed.
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Old 10-17-2007, 11:03 AM   #3
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Hi Boatdoc, Looking forward to following your progress. I always learn something from watching these projects.
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Old 10-17-2007, 11:19 AM   #4
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Hey BD,

Sounds like you're at a great stage in the re-build. Very exciting for sure. I do a lot of RV plumbing, and I have been using Sea-Tech fittings and tubing on a regular basis with great results.

PM me if you're interested in more details!

Also, have you considered a couple of solar panels? I just became a dealer for AM Solar, and after researching several systems out there, theirs seems to be of very high quality and at the top of the heap.....so to speak.

Keep us posted on the progress of the Argosy.................
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Old 10-17-2007, 07:55 PM   #5
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Hi Folks;
...SS frame has been finished last spring and exterior was painted. All exterior lighting is in place.... purchased 15 pc. of 4' x 8' x 4 MM Okume Marine plywood ... three coats of Interlux Gold Spar Urethane Varnish. ...wet sanded with 320 between each coat...Got Low Profile Carrier AC 15000 BTU, Attwood 6 Gal. LP Water Heater, Suburban Dynatrail NT-30SP Furnace and Norcold three way 6.5 Cu Ft Fridge.
...changes in my wiring... Tub area will have white color Rhino Liner sprayed on. For the floor we have 1/4" cork underlayment and ceramic coated cork tiles .... Pex tubing installation lessons will be on the agenda as well.
I will be posting the rate of progress come December.

Boatdoc:

With all of those upgrades you undoubtably have an incredible investment in the trailer.....if I'm not prying too much, would you mind sharing with the Forum your investment in time and money?

The reason I am asking, often a question comes up which basically asks "how much will it cost to redo this trailer?".

I know that everyone has different skill sets, different quality of finish, and different production speeds (I know that I work REALLY slow compared to others), but if you have documented your hours and money, I am sure others will appreciate an honest and accurate accounting of the time and money to do a good job on a renovation (not a restoration, which would be much more difficult).

So many projects have been documented here, but actual costs and time investments are sadly lacking.

As an example, I have over $16,000 and 650 hours in my rebuild of the '78 Sovereign - plus $6500 on the polish job. I do not have nearly the number of "new" items you have. All I had to do to my frame was a partial belly pan and new axles. The only appliance I replaced was the water heater.

I think an accurate cost posting from as many projects as possible would allow others to see actual costs and time requirements involved prior to ripping up their trailers.

It seems hard to imagine that I have as much time and money in the Sovereign that I do, but I documented each day the costs and time I put into it. Most days were only an hour or two, and, surprisingly, most individual outlays were in the 10 to 20 dollar range - there were just a huge amount of them. 15 bucks for a bag of Stainless Steel screws here, 20 for a couple of lights there....I still have a hard time believing the totals, but I am confident of the numbers.

On the other hand, I have a trailer that to SOB owners appears to be almost new on the outside, and at least as good as a new build on the inside. Finished to my own individual tastes, with new axles and a confirmed good frame, I have a trailer that is at least (to me anyway) worth the time, effort, and bucks I have invested.
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Old 10-17-2007, 09:46 PM   #6
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Dennis,

You know, it really doesn't matter what you spend if you get what you want. I spent $35K on my '06 19CCD before upgrading a lot of the components, adding full awnings, new AGM batteries, new water pump, RV-500 water heater, full LED lighting....the list goes on. I have what I want for now.

If I were going to do a vintage trailer (perhaps in the near future). I would gladly spend to the cost of a new one to have what I wanted. I really believe that if your project gives you what you want and you intend to use it for some time......then it's worth the cost........whatever it may be.
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Old 10-17-2007, 10:37 PM   #7
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Dennis, Here's a thread that will give you some cost ideas.

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f232...year-1614.html
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Old 10-18-2007, 07:05 AM   #8
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Boatdoc:

With all of those upgrades you undoubtably have an incredible investment in the trailer.....if I'm not prying too much, would you mind sharing with the Forum your investment in time and money?

The reason I am asking, often a question comes up which basically asks "how much will it cost to redo this trailer?".

I know that everyone has different skill sets, different quality of finish, and different production speeds (I know that I work REALLY slow compared to others), but if you have documented your hours and money, I am sure others will appreciate an honest and accurate accounting of the time and money to do a good job on a renovation (not a restoration, which would be much more difficult).
Hi 87MH;
I truly believe, that working on restoration makes most of us happy. Keeping records is very depressing, so why do you suppose I am depressed? Yes, I am running a tally but the Forums will not allow me 2000 lines to list it all. To many, my figures will mean nothing. I think that Lewster said it all.
The extent of reconstruction has a different value to each individual, and bases on which the amount will vary. In order for me to justify my logic for doing it my way, one must first understand my cause and my inborn need for perfection. I have never been known to do anything half fast [thanks to my dad]. Being a perfectionist has it's benefits, but it has many drawbacks as well. Within my business I must turn down over 50% of repair requests. That is the benefit of being of a perfectionist, but I am not going to list them all. However on the opposite side, I see many unhappy individuals who were turned away. Another problem with being a perfectionist, is availability of work force to match my standards, which leads back to unhappy turned away customer. The other negative about being a perfectionist is that often I take it to the extreme to the point where even my wife takes notice of. Her comment was you are 62 years old, why are you building a trailer to last 100 years?

One must understand that when I have lost my first wife in 1998 to cancer, I have become a lost and very depressed individual who had no other family, other than my 174 lbs King Rottweiler [gentle giant] who was just like our son. I was very fortunate to have met a very nice lady who was divorced for five years and very mistreated in her previous marriage. This lady whom I married, has uplifted my spirits and brought back vigor to my life. This is the reason why my perfectionism has resurfaced.

I like everyone interested to understand, that items other than actual cost of the Arg. were purchased at dealer cost, as one of my marine suppliers is also a supplier to RV industry.
Argosy purchased at $4831.00
479 lbs of SS materials for the frame 1238.25
Welding Gas and materials 273.00
6pc. of 4'x8' aluminum clad plywood 589.00
Alum. C trim and joining H trim for the floor 183.09
3M 5200 Adhesive 18 cartridges 234.00
Dexter axles 5000lbs with 3500lbs suspension 1079.00
Tires, 10 ply and galv rims 980.00
Exterior LED trailer lighting 364.60
Insulation 279.97
Wiring and its comp. 618.80
Gages 417.20
Stereo System 425.00
15 pc of Okume plywood 630.00
5 gal of Interlux Gold Spar varnish 495.00
1 gal of Interlux prime wash 83.00
3 gal of Pettit Easypoxy 384.00
1 gal Evercoat Z-Grip 37.00
Misc paint additives 171.38
Sand paper and prep supplies 234.50
Furnace, water heater, AC and fridge 2618.00
SS Gnat proof window screens SS 296.98
Still needed plumbing supplies estimated at 3612.00
Labor hours presently at 312 @ $89.00/hour loss of income 27768.00
Aprox needed hours to finish 300 hours.
Total at ridiculous cost of $47842.00
So there is your proof that we are crazy for doing what we do. Is my wife worth it? Yes, Yes and Yes.
What we do is a labor of love, for love, personal satisfaction and because we are totally nuts.
Thanks, "Boatdoc"
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Old 10-18-2007, 11:30 AM   #9
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Boatdoc,

It was nice of you to share what to many is a private matter.
I also enjoyed the background you provided which makes the other more meaningful. Karma.
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Old 10-18-2007, 11:37 AM   #10
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i began keeping accurate records and writing everything down but then it came to too much work and too much what i do for a real job. so now i don't worry about it so much, but i do have paperwork and reciepts, i just don't obsess about them.

what lew and boatdoc said sums it up for me too
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Old 10-18-2007, 12:34 PM   #11
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I think Boatdoc and Lewster are right. If doing the work makes you happy and you like the result, the amount you spend is secondary. Spending beyond your means is a very bad idea, but those of us who do our own work and have done so for years usually have a good idea if the $20 for stainless screws is excessive or not.

Probably my best example of nominally outrageous time and money spent is the redone range hood in our Bambi. And now, ever time I walk into the trailer I think, boy, that hood is really great. What is funny is that most other people never notice it.

Anyway, Boatdoc, keep at it because your boat-inspired work will put all of us to shame!
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Old 10-18-2007, 04:00 PM   #12
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It was nice of you to share what to many is a private matter.
I also enjoyed the background you provided which makes the other more meaningful. Karma.
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Hey Dave; I am glad that you have noticed what drives me. Without my little lady, the most I would have done is to admire the Airstreams when passing them on the road. We all have different reasons for so called insanity, and I am privileged to my own. Thanks Fyrzowt. "Boatdoc"
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Old 10-18-2007, 04:20 PM   #13
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It looks like your going to have one spectacular trailer when your finished. Your trailer will shine - good comments will come from those who take a close look.
I also get a little carried away with trying to do a good job with what I have to work with. My budget is quite a bit tighter but all my neighbors come up to me when I am working on my trailer and have to "inspect" - they love it! They can tell that the trailer will be better than new when I get finished. Late summer has gotten real busy but I hope to working on it again soon.
On the same note I have rebuilt the my tow vehicle (90' Jeep Grand Wagoneer to be built for towing!) for the trailer pretty much from top to bottom with the exception of a little body work that has to be done. It gets a lot of compliments - besides personal satisfaction of the work maybe the compliments make some of it worthwhile.

Have fun on the project!
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Old 10-18-2007, 08:58 PM   #14
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boatdoc, It looks like you are keeping good records, I am trying to do the same on restoring our Argosy (costalotta). It seems like the list never ends. Would love to see your trailer when finished.


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