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Old 03-07-2009, 03:19 PM   #15
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Need info to fight insurance company

I was wondering if anyone knew where I could find some sales of a 1980 Caravelle, 20'. I had a tire blow out which destroyed the wheel well, underneath kitchen sink, plumbing, propane connection, stove, refridgerator and countertop. Dealing with the insurance company who wants to total it. Want to put up a good fight to save her and would appreciate any information you think could help me. Taking it to C & G in Bellflower on Monday.

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Old 03-07-2009, 05:03 PM   #16
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Oh no - sorry to hear of the damage!

The bad news is, there aren't many of these around. Supposedly Airstream built only about 150 trailers in 1980, due to the gas crisis and leftover stock from the late 70s. I've been keeping an eye out for a Caravelle for months, and only have seen one for sale in that time (and that wasn't a 20'.)

The trailer is very similar to an Argosy Minuet, but I'm not sure that will help you with your insurance agent.
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Greetings Lyn!

So sorry to hear about your predicament.

What you might do is see if C & G might speak with your adjuster after they have been able to prepare an estimate. Several years ago when my Overlander was damaged, my insurance adjuster was objecting to repair costs, but my dealer who had been with Airstream for many years was able to speak to the adjuster and was a big help in resolving the disputed value. It may be worth a try.

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Old 03-16-2009, 08:08 PM   #18
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Hi Kevin,

Thank you for your helpful suggestions. We're still battling over the value of the Caravelle. Progressive doesn't seem to value NADA's estimated value. Instead, they are going to Airstream dealers and so far, the news isn't good. But I refuse to give up. I'll have her up and camping again one way or another.

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Old 03-17-2009, 11:17 AM   #19
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You've squashed my theory! I'm not ready to totally moth ball it yet, as I still beleive I have heard about some 7' wide early 80's Airstreams, but I will take it under serious advisement. Afterall you are the Minuet expert (well maybe you and Overlander64).

You know the more I think about it, I believe I have heard that the special Airstreams that were shipped overseas for the 1985-6-7 China Caravan's were also only 7' wide. If nothing else, maybe the trailer in question was one of those that didn't make the trip overseas for some reason. Of course I have no idea if those were labelled as "Caravelle's".
Joe,

As a result of interest in 1980 Caravelles on another thread I looked to see if Airforums had a section on that model, and came across your post.

We have a 1980 22 foot Caravelle which is the ideal trailer for us. First of all, yes, it is about 7 ft wide (same as our 1960 Pacer) and second of all, it is essentially the same thing as a late 70's Argosy Minuet. I have compared them side-by-side. They are built on the same frame and have many other things in common. They used some nicer components in the Caravelle, metal, for example, where they were plastic in the Argosy, which was the economy model.

So, Theory 1 about the existence of the Caravelles (which they only built in 1980, maybe into 1981) is that they were built to use up the frames left over when they quit building Argosies in 1979.

Theory 2--vastly more romantic--is that they built the Caravelles, narrow and light weight, for the China caravans. I have heard arguments both ways on this. Some say it's pure fiction but at the International at Bozeman one visitor told us their parents went across China in a trailer just like ours.

If you know any more about the latter I would be interested in hearing it!

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Hi Kevin,

Thank you for your helpful suggestions. We're still battling over the value of the Caravelle. Progressive doesn't seem to value NADA's estimated value. Instead, they are going to Airstream dealers and so far, the news isn't good. But I refuse to give up. I'll have her up and camping again one way or another.

thanks again,
Lyn
You might try to contact Jim Polk (silverpal or silverpal2) I think that is his handle on the forums. He is a professional appraiser and he was able to help us with our insurance claim when our 69 Overlander was broadsided. We were able to show our trailer was restored and collectable.......if you have trouble finding him, pm me...he lives in Ojai.....We also had repair estimates from C & G. Good luck with your claim....sounds like you have a nice trailer.....paula
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Old 03-18-2009, 09:12 PM   #21
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Lynn, I have a 1980 Caravelle and my insurance company told me to track Ebay sales of like airstreams to obtain a fair value for my Caravelle. Since there are very few 80 Caravelle's forsale, I've been following restored values of Globe Trotters and the early Caravels that sale on Ebay. That's my approach , Good Luck getting the right value for you rig! Don
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Theory 2--vastly more romantic--is that they built the Caravelles, narrow and light weight, for the China caravans. I have heard arguments both ways on this. Some say it's pure fiction but at the International at Bozeman one visitor told us their parents went across China in a trailer just like ours.

If you know any more about the latter I would be interested in hearing it!

See you down the road,
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Well, I did look into what years there were China Caravan's, and according to the WBCCI Directory they were held in 1985, 86, 87, & 88, so that sort of kills the China theory for the 1980/81 Caravelles.

That of course does not mean that the trailers used for the 1985-88 China Caravan's weren't also 7' wide, just that it's doubtful they used 1980/81 trailers.

One other interesting fact I have read about the 9 China Caravan's held over 1985 to 88 is that they just reused the same trailers and tow vehicles over and over again. I assume they were left in China at the end of the last Caravan.

I wish there was more to read about the China Caravan's. I haven't been able to locate much, but I did find this story a few years ago: "Modern Marco Polos" Travel trailer adventure in the People's Republic of China. Story by travel writer Charles N. Barnard, article from Travel Classics

It's probably getting late to expect a book about the China Cravan's to ever be written. I wonder how many participants are even still living 20+ year later.
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Old 04-28-2009, 11:42 PM   #24
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I just inherited a 1980 Airstream Caravelle, 22 feet in length and dual axle. I just started looking at it and haven't decided whether to keep and restore it, or whether to sell it. I know that it needs some repairs....such as a door latch for the closet and a couple of minor reattachments of folddown trays, etc. Overall it in not in bad shape. It has been sitting on a concrete pad next to my parents home since about 1996. The parents loved it and used to eat dinner in it after their health precluded further travelling. Does anyone have any idea of the value?
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Old 04-29-2009, 06:26 AM   #25
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As for value you can take a look at the Price VS Condition Guide and hopefully arrive at a ballpark value. If you are looking to keep the trailer and get her into traveling trim you may want to get in contact with Frank (62Overlander), he is in Catonsville, MD and owner of Frank's Trailer Works.

Here is a link to the 1980 Caravelle Photo Arichive on www.vintageairstream.com

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Greetings Ed!

Welcome to the Forums!

You have inherited what many would consider to be a gem in the Airstream Family. The Caravelle was a relatively short-lived model. Speculation is that it was introduced to capitalize on the popularity of the discontinued Argosy Minuet series of coaches. The 1980 Caravelle was offered in the same three sizes as the Minuet (20', 22', and 24') with very similar floorplans. The biggest difference was that the 22' Caravelle was a tandem axle while the 22' Minuet was a single axle. The coach according to my understanding also shares the Minuet's narrower width 7' rather than the more typical 7' 8" width of its peers. The short life of the model means that Caravelles don't often appear on the market.

I would encourage you to keep the coach and make it roadworthy, then try the Vintage Airstreaming lifestyle and see if you enjoy it as much as many of us here on the Forums. The Caravelle will be one of the easiest towing travel trailers that you could find. Good luck with your decision!

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Hi folks,

here some pics of our 1980 Airstream Caravelle 24'. We purchased this beauty 2 years ago from an Air Canada pilot who bought it from the original owner in Florida. He then restored it like new .

Our plan was to use it as a chalet on warm summer week-ends at our country lot in Eastern Townships Southern Quebec (near the Vermont border). Compare to our Volkswagen Westfalia, the Airstream is like staying at a 5 star hotel.

We now want to build a country home and have decided to sell the Airstream.

I figured i'd contribute to the forum before we fade away and post some pics for your viewing pleasure and for the record..

I read that only 150 1980 Caravelle 24' were ever build...

We had some quality family time with the Airstream...

She will be missed!
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Bouncing Betty's initial cleaning pics

I finished my initial cleaning of my 1980 22 foot caravelle today. Not ready for prime time, but beginning to be presentable. I am enclosing some pictures for those who might want to see what a 22 foot Caravelle looks like. Again, she is rough, but a bunch better than when I started. I cleaned off the green moss from the outside except the top, and unloaded the detritus my Mom had loaded her with...using her as a storage container. She has been sitting up since about 1995 or 1996 in my parent's yard on a concrete pad they poured for her by the house. I am going slowly with her, but my first priority is to clean out the house and get it ready for sale. The carpet is original, 1980, but in fair condition after I vacuumed her out. I checked in closets and storage and saw no bad spots on the wooden floor. The carpet and drapes are period pieces....more for the era of Leisure Suits than today....but we will get there. I am thinking of calling her "Bouncing Betty" after a particularly nasty piece of mine munitions I had to contend with at age 20 in Viet Nam. Like the mine, cleaning her is about to kill my 63 year old knees.
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PS: I was going to attach pictures, but even though I clicked "go advanced" and clicked on Manage Attachments, I found no way to add pictures. Can anyone help? Thanks.
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