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Old 11-18-2009, 04:57 PM   #15
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I wished I lived in an area with $.0765/kilowatt-hour electrical rates!!!!

Here in Silicon Valley my baseline rate is $.11531/kW-hr. Check your local rates before you take that plunge. Also, electric heaters can be pricey!! I left a 1500W oil filled electric radiant heater running non-stop in my bedroom for about a month (turning the thermostat down during the day when I was at work). This took my electrical usage well above my baselines and my rates skyrocketed. I was graced with a $250 electric bill that month.

That actually brings up a good point. If you have a tiered billing system like we do here in California with PG&E then your electric bill could really go up with her added usage. Not trying to scare you away from the idea of helping out a friend, but rather hoping that you will fully consider all added costs.
Based on my look back over past bills, I DO think I pay 'tiered' rates, so I'd better find out where the next tier kicks in.

So glad I found this forum. I had tried calling the manufacturer and dealers and none of them could even BEGIN to offer me any kind of info. You guys are the best!
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Old 11-18-2009, 06:25 PM   #16
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My cost .0861

We pay $.0861/kilowatt hour.Our current bill is $45. It started out at $35 last Feb 2009 when we settled down for a while. It went as high as $75 this summer as A/C use was needed. Avg high temp in summer is high 90's. Avg low temps for winter is 30's.

This is for our AS MH which has a 30 amp plug. We don't use any electric heaters. We have a small 19" LCD TV. Use a 20 light string of Christmas lights in a wine bottle for a nite lite. We use microwave maybe 5 minutes a day. Toaster in morning. Fridge is set to 120 volt ac. All other heat & cooking is with propane.

Maybe you can insist no elect. heater be used. Does tenant have a elect water heater? Hope this info helps you in your situation.

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Old 11-18-2009, 06:29 PM   #17
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When we lived in our Sovereign, our electric bill was never over $105, and we were paying a premium to the RV park. Regular rates would have been on the order of $70 a month, tops.
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Old 11-18-2009, 08:36 PM   #18
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I Don't know - seems easier to wait until you get the first bill. You know what you normally use and anything above that is the TT. Could be wrong - not the first time and definately won't be the last.
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Old 11-18-2009, 08:56 PM   #19
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bea,
you might try asking at a year round rv park that is near you if they are metered. they would be the best example of rates and usage in the winter.

to protect yourself, you can tell her what your limit is on support for the electric. it will encourage her to conserve when possible and not take you to the poor house.

you're nice to offer this help :-)
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Old 11-18-2009, 09:12 PM   #20
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We just had this conversation with a full-time couple who are camped nest to us here in Fort Wilderness. Their peak bill was $140 during the Texas summer when running both Airconditioners in a MONSTER 5th wheel.

Some other friends who full time in MS with a large 5er in a shaded area never had a bill over $100 on metered service 12 months straight.

Our dual air SOB at the weekend place averages $20/mo for heavy useage 2-3 weekends a Month. Winter electric heating is similar to summer cooling in our area.
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Old 11-19-2009, 08:53 AM   #21
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Thank you SO much, everyone!

I just wanted to say again how VERY much I appreciate all of your helpful replies. The suggestions, information and formulas have REALLY helped me to get a much better handle on what I can expect.

Thank you, thank you, THANK YOU!
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Old 12-09-2009, 04:27 PM   #22
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Rates usually also vary either by the time of day, or by a baseline. On a time-of-day system, the rate will change based on peak usages during the day e.g. it's more in the mornings (6am-9-pm), and more in the evenings (4pm-9pm). On a baseline, you are given a certain amount of kWh usage per month; your bill should specify the amount if you are on that system. If you exceed that, your rates may increase significantly once you exceed 100% of the baseline; the rates then become tiered: e.g. 100%-130%, 131%-200%, 201-300% and each range in excess of the baseline would be an additional charge. I'm on a baseline system, and I was utilizing an electric heater (they're pretty much all 1500W) fairly liberally and I reached the 201%-300% baseline at $0.36 per kWh.

You can check your usage by reading your meter.
Take a reading without the trailer plugged in and do the things you usually do; 24 hours later take another reading and subtract the difference. This amount will be your daily power use in kWh; you can multiply this amount by your rate and then by the number of days in the billing cycle to estimate your monthly bill without the trailer.
Then do the same thing with the trailer plugged in. You can subtract out your average day kWh use to find out how much per day the trailer will cost you. This link will help you read your meter: How to Read Your Electric Meter

Word to the wise... get that furnace up and running and your bill won't hurt much.
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Bea, I'll also throw in the observation that you can get 120V watt-hour meters and sockets fairly inexpensively on ebay. (Also, the 240v ones can be converted for use on 120V) Most electric utilities have a rule that says you're not allowed to meter power for resale, but as long as you're not actually selling it by the KWH but rather just using the meter as a guide you'll probably be OK. I have a couple of private meters set up on my place to measure various stuff.
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Old 12-18-2009, 04:30 PM   #24
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Hard to compare California electric rates to the rest of the country.

I ran an oil filled electric heater 24/7 on medium and a small cube type 1500W electric heater on low with thermistor set for 65 degrees it would cycle on maybe once an hour depending on outside temp my electric bill went up just over $40. However that was in MS and they have milder winters than VA.

For propane have a large tank delivered just for the winter and use the furnace as needed.

The lights, refrigerator, hot water if on propane, converter and TV will add just a very small amount of electric I would guess $10 to $15.

At a minimum I think you will be looking at around $55 but less than $100.

Please let us know since this question may come up again and we would have a better guess to pass on.
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