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04-04-2004, 05:00 PM
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1965 20' Globetrotter
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Univolt Battery Boil
I have a univolt 30 which appears to be overcharging my battery. The Battery gets very hot and I have to physically disconnect it. Are there options to adjust the univolt? I do not have a manual.
Thanks,
mudd
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04-04-2004, 06:21 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by muddy_hollow
I have a univolt 30 which appears to be overcharging my battery. The Battery gets very hot and I have to physically disconnect it. Are there options to adjust the univolt? I do not have a manual.
Thanks,
mudd
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The Univolt consists of a transformer, and capacitor(s), which to my knowledge are non-adjustable.
The battery getting hot could be from an internal problem with the battery, not necessarily the Univolt. Have you taken the battery out and had it tested? How old is the battery?
That said, Univolts are known throughout the land for overcharging batteries. If your battery is good, you may want to look into an updated version, with electronic voltage and charging control.
Terry
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04-04-2004, 10:26 PM
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Rivet Master
1987 29' Sovereign
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Muddy Hollow,
I would have the univolt checked for charging voltage. I seem to remember that it should be about a .3volt with everything turned off. Mine, to the best of my knowledge is the original 1987 model and it works very well. I had it plugged in full time in Jan-Mar of this year and I topped off the battery water once and that was elective. I will look in my manual and confirm that .3volt.
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04-05-2004, 07:48 AM
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4 Rivet Member
1965 20' Globetrotter
1956 22' Caravanner
Mendon
, Massachusetts
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Battery
The battery is relatively new and came from the previous owner and I believe he picked it up from walmart. Are there certain type and brands of batteries that are better than others? I'm open to replacing the battery.
Is there an option to put a charge controller in between to adjust the charge rate?
Thanks,
Mudd
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04-05-2004, 08:34 AM
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Rivet Master
1967 26' Overlander
Huntsville
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Battery Disconnect Switch?
If one is simply taking an Airstream from shore power at home to shore power at a campground, the only purpose the battery serves is to power the trailer’s brakes should the trailer inadvertently disconnect itself from the tow vehicle while underway. During transit, the tow vehicle’s charging system will maintain the battery.
In an automobile, the battery, in addition to starting the vehicle, also serves as an electrical “accumulator” to smooth the voltage supplied by the alternator. While I have not, as yet, opened my Univolt (it still works), previous posts have indicated it contains capacitors that can/will go bad. Capacitors are also electrical accumulators which will smooth a DC waveform.
Although I have not seen a Univolt schematic, I wonder if it necessary to have the Airstream battery connected to the Univolt at all when hooked to shore power. If the capacitors in the Univolt are of sufficient size, they will do the filtering/smoothing function making the battery unnecessary.
The addition of a simple switch between the battery and the Univolt would allow the Univolt to charge the battery when the user deemed it necessary.
Anyone have details/horror stories concerning the importance of having a battery hooked up to the Univolt when the Airstream is on shore power?
Thanks,
Tom
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04-05-2004, 09:12 AM
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1992 29' Excella
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details
tom
the older univolts are ferro resonant, they need the resistance of the battery to make proper voltage.
your lights in the trailer would do the same thing. completly disconnected the univolt will show "low" voltage.
john
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04-05-2004, 10:33 AM
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Rivet Master
1967 26' Overlander
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Quote:
Originally Posted by john hd
the older univolts are ferro resonant...
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Since I have a "tin ear" in electrical design , a www search provided a FAQ sheet which appears to address Univolt operation.
I wonder if the Optional SB100 "Simulated Battery" is just a big capacitor?
Tom
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04-05-2004, 11:30 AM
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1992 29' Excella
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faq
tom
good find on the pdf page.
the best thing univolt owners could get from it is the "long term storage is best handled by running the converter 10 hours a month" comment.
john
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04-05-2004, 03:59 PM
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A better Idea....
The last comment of running the univolt a certain # of hours a month is the way to go. I bought 2 new group 27 batterys and had them both fried by leaving it plugged in at the house for convenience.
The solution is to put a timer on the univolt that can be switched to 'full time' when wanted.
By this I mean the timer would let it run say an hour a day while on permanent plugin at home. This will keep it topped off without boiling it.
Then while traveling, turn the timer to "ON" and take it out of the equation when you need the charging at campgounds.
Whaddu think?
Steve in Sav'h GA
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04-05-2004, 04:43 PM
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Retired Moderator
1992 29' Excella
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i like the idea steve, very easy to do since the univolt just plugs into the wall.
john
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04-05-2004, 05:27 PM
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Cary
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My univolt was boiling batteries so I replaced the capacitors and it now works like new.
-Jason
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04-05-2004, 05:28 PM
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4 Rivet Member
1965 20' Globetrotter
1956 22' Caravanner
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timer
I like the idea and it should be very easy to set-up a timer on the wall. I was also thinking about having a manual disconnect and maybe adding a small solar panel to top it off. Thanks for the great idea!
But, as mine is an older unit what did people do in the past before they noticed the hot battery?
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04-05-2004, 05:34 PM
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My Father the Electronics GURU helped me fix my Univolt. It was putting out 30 volts and boiling batteries dry in a few days, im lucky they didnt explode.
Replaced Capacitors with 2-20UF@480 VAC wired in series which gives 10UF@960VAC. Works great now!
a properly working univolt will not overcharge batteries.
mine puts out 13.5 now and i leave it plugged in all the time, just keep water in the battery and it will be fine.
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04-05-2004, 05:43 PM
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Rivet Master
1967 26' Overlander
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jjonesnc
a properly working univolt will not overcharge batteries.
mine puts out 13.5 now and i leave it plugged in all the time, just keep water in the battery and it will be fine.
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Your Univolt is overcharging if you have to make a concerned effort to keep water in the battery.
A battery will bubble (i.e. lose water) if left charging at 13.5 volts AFTER it has reached fully charged.
Sorry,
Tom
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04-05-2004, 05:52 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tcwilliams
Your Univolt is overcharging if you have to make a concerned effort to keep water in the battery.
A battery will bubble (i.e. lose water) if left charging at 13.5 volts AFTER it has reached fully charged.
Sorry,
Tom
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An automobile puts out 14.2 and they dont "kill" balleries off of 14.2 and they need the water topped off periodically.
Batterys go bad when the water gets low.
Check the water once a month and it will be fine .
I have been in Automotive service for 12 years, batteries go bad when the water level in not maintained.
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04-05-2004, 06:06 PM
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1967 26' Overlander
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jjonesnc
An automobile puts out 14.2 and they dont "kill" balleries off of 14.2 and they need the water topped off periodically.
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You are right. But an automobile does not put out that voltage 24-7. A battery at rest puts out 12.5 or so volts. Any voltage higher than that will charge it. Charging a battery will make it bubble. Bubbling means losing water.
Regardless, if water has to be constantly added to a battery, the battery is being overcharged. In my laziness, I do not care to add water to a battery on a constant basis. Your points are valid. But, please do not attempt to tell people that a correctly functioning Univolt means seldom having to add water to the battery. Univolts will overcharge.
Tom
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04-05-2004, 07:11 PM
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Ok, but if I have a "sealed" Interstate RV battery, how does one add water? I can't see anything that allows me too.
Marc
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04-05-2004, 09:43 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tcwilliams
You are right. But an automobile does not put out that voltage 24-7. A battery at rest puts out 12.5 or so volts. Any voltage higher than that will charge it. Charging a battery will make it bubble. Bubbling means losing water.
Regardless, if water has to be constantly added to a battery, the battery is being overcharged. In my laziness, I do not care to add water to a battery on a constant basis. Your points are valid. But, please do not attempt to tell people that a correctly functioning Univolt means seldom having to add water to the battery. Univolts will overcharge.
Tom
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I never used the words "constantly" or "seldom"
A properly functioning univolt will not ruin a battery IF the battery water level is checked once a month and added as nessecary (I seldom have to add water to mine but thats just mine im not speaking for others.)
Anytime a car engine is running it will produce 14.2 volts to the battery.
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04-05-2004, 09:45 PM
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1986 25' Sovereign
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 3Ms75Argosy
Ok, but if I have a "sealed" Interstate RV battery, how does one add water? I can't see anything that allows me too.
Marc
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I have maintenance free sealed Delco Voyager batteries and rarely charge with the Magnetek charger that was put in my Excella by the PO. I keep the batteries charged with a 5 watt PulseTech Solargizer solar charger and a BatteryMinder multi-step charger which are both plugged in 24 hrs. a day at the house. The trailer is at the hunting camp now for 4 weeks where it will be charged daily by the 5 watt solar panel. Last weekend I plugged in an additional 20 watt solar panel while there for 2 days and when I left Sunday I pulled it off the roof and put it inside the trailer. I've had these batteries for almost 3 years now with no problem. You have to be careful you do not overcharge sealed batteries so make sure your charger is in good shape.
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