My trailer got fried!

[OTRA15]

Originally Posted by xrvr

Six pages making a mountain out of a mole hill.

SOP.

“ . . . Talk first, think later . . . “

[lsbrodsky]

Originally Posted by ROBERT CROSS

Better than a pile of melted AU...🥴

Bob
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AU is gold and it should be for the price. I hope you meant AL

Larry

[SteveSueMac]

No one is born knowing everything (though I’ve met some folks who believe they were....). Hashing out a discussion to learn something shouldn’t be problematic. It’s something I love about the forums. I’m still trying to make up my own mind about this and appreciate everyone’s input....

If there is a risk of danger (mountain) that a simple device in these specific circumstances can alleviate - that’s a good thing. If it offers no protection from the issue and serves only to trick an EMS - then yeah - it’s a molehill. I’m still listening and learning - sorry if that’s ticking people off. If you know what you need to know - share it or just avoid the discussion altogether. Makes for a happier life [emoji3]

[JDG]

I have been following along and think I am starting to understand most of what is being said. Maybe. My question is with a Honda Industrial EB2000i, which has a GFI and is “ neutral bonded to the frame” , is it okay to plug into the Airstream without the bonding plug? If I understand correctly, it should be okay. When I test the generator with the plug-in device,which comes with an Airstream, I get the “correct” indication with the lights. I do have a 50 Amp EMS but I don’t use it with the generator mostly because of the size of the EMS an number of adapters I would have to use. Comments?

[ROBERT CROSS]

Originally Posted by lsbrodsky

AU is gold and it should be for the price. I hope you meant AL

Larry

$$$$$=AS+AL=AU🤔

Bob
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[Ephraim]

Originally Posted by JDG

Attachment 342944 I have been following along and think I am starting to understand most of what is being said. Maybe. My question is with a Honda Industrial EB2000i, which has a GFI and is “ neutral bonded to the frame” , is it okay to plug into the Airstream without the bonding plug? If I understand correctly, it should be okay. When I test the generator with the plug-in device,which comes with an Airstream, I get the “correct” indication with the lights. I do have a 50 Amp EMS but I don’t use it with the generator mostly because of the size of the EMS an number of adapters I would have to use. Comments?

Yes. That generator needs no bonding plug. The bond is built in (hence the working GFCI plug on it.)

[Doc10r]

Terrible and scary. I’m so sorry. Hope it is resolved soon.

[jmsokol]

Everyone. Yup, It's Mike Sokol from RVelectricity and the No~Shock~Zone again. Would any of you happen to have pictures of how the power at Alumapalooza was run? I'm especially curious to see how the 20-amp circuit was split to multiple RV's as noted in the very first thread on this post. Thanks....



You can post them here or email mike (at) noshockzone (dot) org. Mike Sokol

[turk123]

Originally Posted by jmsokol

Everyone. Yup, It's Mike Sokol from RVelectricity and the No~Shock~Zone again. Would any of you happen to have pictures of how the power at Alumapalooza was run? I'm especially curious to see how the 20-amp circuit was split to multiple RV's as noted in the very first thread on this post. Thanks....



You can post them here or email mike (at) noshockzone (dot) org. Mike Sokol

I don't have any specific pictures, but I believe I know how it was run. They had a main breaker box with many 20 amp breakers. They ran white electrical wire on the ground to a pole holding 2 dual-plug electrical receptacles in a metal box. That provided four trailers with a 20 amp circuit. There were 42 trailers in the field, but at least 10-12 were in the generator section with no power. 30 trailers hooked to the electrical system. I was told it was a 20 amp circuit but I can not verify this. We were told we had 3 amps to use. The host said it was a 20 amp circuit. They threw a 5-gallon bucket over the plugs to keep them dry.

[jmsokol]

Originally Posted by turk123

I don't have any specific pictures, but I believe I know how it was run. They had a main breaker box with many 20 amp breakers. They ran white electrical wire on the ground to a pole holding 2 dual-plug electrical receptacles in a metal box. That provided four trailers with a 20 amp circuit. There were 42 trailers in the field, but at least 10-12 were in the generator section with no power. 30 trailers hooked to the electrical system. I was told it was a 20 amp circuit but I can not verify this. We were told we had 3 amps to use. The host said it was a 20 amp circuit. They threw a 5-gallon bucket over the plugs to keep them dry.

When you say "white electrical wire" do you mean some kind of solid conductor Romex wire like you would run inside the walls of your house or RV?

[turk123]

Originally Posted by jmsokol

When you say "white electrical wire" do you mean some kind of solid conductor Romex wire like you would run inside the walls of your house or RV?

yes, romeo.

[bweybright]

Originally Posted by xrvr

Six pages making a mountain out of a mole hill.

Would it be a mole hill if it was your trailer that had components fried, and an electrified skin?

[jmsokol]

Originally Posted by bweybright

Would it be a mole hill if it was your trailer that had components fried, and an electrified skin?

I agree. This appears to be a pretty serious code violation. I’m investigating it further.

[xrvr]

Originally Posted by bweybright

Would it be a mole hill if it was your trailer that had components fried, and an electrified skin?

Yes.it was a problem, it was solved, it now has devolved into a generator grounding thread.

[66Overlander]

Originally Posted by jmsokol

I agree. This appears to be a pretty serious code violation. I’m investigating it further.

Without examining the actual parts involved in the incident, how do you determine that it was a code violation and not a simple component failure/fault in the parts involved. A multipoint fault, while rare, is possible.

[jmsokol]

Originally Posted by 66Overlander

Without examining the actual parts involved in the incident, how do you determine that it was a code violation and not a simple component failure/fault in the parts involved. A multipoint fault, while rare, is possible.

Running Romex solid conductor wire on the ground is a serious code violation. Using non-weatherproof boxes on the ground with buckets over top is a code violation. Running 20-amp outlets outside without GFCI protection is a code violation. Virtually everything that was described is in direct violation with the NEC and would NEVER have passed even a rudimentary inspection by the AHJ (Authority Having Jurisdiction).

Do I need to go on?

[xrvr]

Codes vary per state.

[turk123]

Originally Posted by jmsokol

Running Romex solid conductor wire on the ground is a serious code violation. Using non-weatherproof boxes on the ground with buckets over top is a code violation. Running 20-amp outlets outside without GFCI protection is a code violation. Virtually everything that was described is in direct violation with the NEC and would NEVER have passed even a rudimentary inspection by the AHJ (Authority Having Jurisdiction).

Do I need to go on?

Wow! If Airstream is going to supply the wiring for this event, they probably should look into a more permanent solution. When I went to adjust my hitch, I got knocked backward from a jolt as I grabbed the ProPride head to straighten it. I'm told that could have been worse.

The gentlemen who set up the wiring were from Airstream's maintenance department. Electricians? I do not know. Airstream IS the town. They may get away with a lot when it comes to having inspections for things like this. I would not be able to do this without an inspection in my town.

I am going to make Airstream Life aware of this issue just so they can protect future shows from problems like this.

[xrvr]

I am sure if you complain enough this event will end. Is that what is wanted? One personpulling too many amps because he cannot follow instructions.

[turk123]

Originally Posted by xrvr

I am sure if you complain enough this event will end. Is that what is wanted? One personpulling too many amps because he cannot follow instructions.

I sent the editor an email not to complain or ask for reimbursement, but to let him know that this issue could be the downfall of an event like this. This is how a lot of Airstream events are set up. It probably is better for him to revisit this wiring before more damage is done or someone gets hurt. An injury or death is not the time to react to this. Out of the five trailers damaged, not one person was vindictive or angry over the incident. Airstream stepped up to the plate and covered everyone. No one wants to shut this event down.

My email was very positive. I can post it here if you like! Well, maybe after he reads it.