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Old 06-01-2019, 04:54 PM   #29
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They’re expanding and building out the Airstream factory enterprise like crazy in Jackson Center but are not providing top of the line infrastructure support to their own sponsored Alumapaloosa event? Seriously? “Hodge-podge” wiring for electricity which could fry not only Airstreams but their owners? Again, seriously? Airstream corporate needs to get their priorities straight. This seems like a great way to get sued.
Alumapaloolza is run by a private for profit group. Airstreams involvement is only the they allow it to happen on their grounds.
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Ok, this has scared the heck out me. I've never been faced with a set up like that, but I am signed up for the international rally in Virginia. Is that likely to be the situation there, does anyone know. I use a very good surge protector, but that's all. I don't want to risk death or frying my rig.
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Old 06-01-2019, 05:04 PM   #31
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[QUOTE=Mansderm161;2247543]Ok, this has scared the heck out me. I've never been faced with a set up like that, but I am signed up for the international rally in Virginia. Is that likely to be the situation there, does anyone know. I use a very good surge protector, but that's all. I don't want to risk death or frying my rig.


Me too. This will be my first International. I was feeling pretty good about going until this communication about electrical issues. Something new to prepare for I guess. So does anyone know what kind of setup there will be at international?
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Old 06-01-2019, 07:46 PM   #34
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Well, my trailer checked out OK. The service center told me to bring it in at 7:00 AM this morning! They checked all the circuits and converter. Everything has passed.

I will never go on a daisy chain 20 amp circuit again. When we arrived, I hooked up and didn't realize my 50 amp surge protector would work on the lower voltage. My skin was live with 110 AC power!

I talked to Tim the Holloway host and he called the maintenance guys from Airstream. They found out they wired it wrong.

Later, someone must have used to much power and a wire nut melted and shorted against the metal box sending a surge through 7 trailers. It fried two converters, a surge protector and my HDMI cables and monoprice switch. I also had hot skin again.

I unhooked. That is when Airstream said to bring the trailer in so they can verify that everything works and the hot skin problem needed to be solved. After 4 hours they said my trailer is clear of the hot skin problem and they wired a new HDMI cable to the living room TV, but could not replace the bedroom HDMI because it would take about 6-8 hours. They moved my warranty appointment up from Aug 12th to July 18th. I now have ninteen Items for them to fix on the 18th.

By the way, they had the Monoprice switch in stock and gave it to me to replace the burned out one. They briefly used this in earlier classics but replaced it with a cheap inexpensive model that burned out on me 7 months ago. That's why I bought the Monoprice!

Lessons learned. Always use a surge protector even if it fries the $375 item instead of the $139 switch. I guess it could have been worse.

From now on when we go to Alumapolosa, we will be with the generator group. I also have solar to rely on. No more 110 ac wires laying on the ground with non-electricians stringing the stuff in the rain and mud and coming back to announce that "We goofed and wired the neutral wrong". No more Airstream non-thinking owners firing up the hair dryer or defrosting a steak in the microwave and melting the circuit.

We left a day early, missed both the last day and the day previous waiting for Airstream service guys to show up and missed the one seminar I wanted to go to which ironically had to do with electricity, batteries, and solar in your Airstream. Also, my rear tv will not work until the end of summer and I was told to keep an eye on the trailer in case the short returns because. "It could kill you!"

Actually, the guys in the service center were the best. They were looking out for me and they went out of their way to install the one HDMI cable. I couldn't be happier. They all know what they are doing. Just keep those maintenance guys away from the wiring.
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Old 06-01-2019, 08:05 PM   #35
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Ok, this has scared the heck out me. I've never been faced with a set up like that, but I am signed up for the international rally in Virginia. Is that likely to be the situation there, does anyone know. I use a very good surge protector, but that's all. I don't want to risk death or frying my rig.
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Me too. This will be my first International. I was feeling pretty good about going until this communication about electrical issues. Something new to prepare for I guess. So does anyone know what kind of setup there will be at international?
The International Rally will have 30A hookups for all (except the generator section), though it is possible that a few may be by way of a 50A to 30A splitter (i.e. a 50A male plug to two 30A female plugs) if they run out of 30A receptacles. There will be no "3A" daisy chains

Some History: The International Rally hasn't used "3A" for more than a decade since everyone came to expect 30A in the early 2000's. Back in the late 1950's to the early 2000's, 3A was all you got at an International Rally. And everyone liked it. ;-) That's all we got at the 2004 International Rally, which was the first to offer optional 30A for an extra price. 30A became standard soon thereafter. By the time of our next international Rally in 2009, I believe 30A was standard. Not sure the exact year the change was made.

Since most International Rallies are now held at fairgrounds and other facilities set up to host large RV events, there rarely is anything more than some extension cords needed to get power to Airstreams. Last year the the international Rally in Salem, OR the fairground did provide 30A extension cords to reach some trailers. These cords were not provided, nor set up, by the club.
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Glad youíre all good. The service guys are the best. Canít wait to visit again next year for some tick list items.

Tell us how the ride goes with the realigned yoke on your hitch!! Good luck!
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Old 06-01-2019, 10:14 PM   #37
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Alumapaloolza is run by a private for profit group. Airstreams involvement is only the they allow it to happen on their grounds.
Therefore the endorsement of being reputable and supported by them. Hence, they should be sniffing around to make sure things are good to go.
What I have learned from this thread is that I will never go to an event like this, for a variety of reasons.
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I talked to Tim the Holloway host and he called the maintenance guys from Airstream. They found out they wired it wrong.
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Lucky no one was killed or seriously injured, not to mention the risk of multiple fires.

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Hi, I have never been daisy chained and have never had an electrical problem, yet. But I have a polarity tester and a Kiil-a-Watt permanently mounted in my trailer's kitchen. I always look at these to make sure that my power is good.
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Hi, I have never been daisy chained and have never had an electrical problem, yet. But I have a polarity tester and a Kiil-a-Watt permanently mounted in my trailer's kitchen. I always look at these to make sure that my power is good.
What makes me mad is that not what happened to my trailer, but that I didn't take the precautions, like you, that will identify any problems before plugging in. I forgot the issues we had last year when the power would always go out as circuits were overloaded. For some reason, I didn't believe my 50 amp surge protector would work on 110 volts. I also was in a hurry and did not take the time to find all the adapters I needed and a proper heavy gauge extension cord. I would have been better to set the rest of my rig up and pay attention to the power later.

Of course, at these events, the host is being helpful and quick to point out where your water and electric is and helps you hook up. He is handing you a backflow prevention valve and making sure you use it properly. One thing leads to another and you have electric and water before you've tested anything. Let this be a lesson to all of us to take the precautions you all know you need to do to protect you and your trailer.

This will never happen again to me. Quite frankly, knowing what I know about the electrical systems at Alumapolosa, I will go solar and in the generator area.
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A few more points. Everyone at Alumapolosa, Airstream Life and Airstream stepped up to the plate and said they would cover all the damage. Several charger/converters were replaced the next day by Airstream, an expensive progressive surge protector was replaced, AGM lifeline batteries where replaced, and my wiring and cables and HDMI $139 splitter was replaced. I believe Airstream covered everything, but I know Airstream life came to the campground that night looking for receipts for items that had expired under the surge. They were going to write a check.

We did not have to ask for anyone to step up. Airstream just did and covered it all. I appreciate that. Airstream did not worry about who was at fault and never ask me if I had my surge protector in line. They just covered everything.

That tells me they are a caring company. Maybe there will be some changes next year with power.
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Ah, so like anything it is buyer beware. Certainly with these types of events with well meaning volunteers, but also similar to the KOA in Nebraska that had a ground fault in the wiring and told me that my trailer should take care of any issues it created......and this was the owner talking to me after I brought it to his attention.
So the word of the day is caution and take calculated steps to protect yourself in the wild world of camping.
Perhaps the same KOA I have dealt with in the past in Nebraska (Grand Island KOA Journey). The KOA owner saw no problem with an open ground on his system. Was hostile when I pointed it out and asked for another campsite. I finally told his wife she needed to do an internet search on this problem and educate her husband before someone got hurt.
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