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Old 06-09-2019, 12:23 PM   #127
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You are welcome! The simple fact is your EMS will not allow current flow from a generator unless you use one of these. Folks can debate the need/safety forever, it seems.
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Old 06-09-2019, 12:59 PM   #128
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I'm Mike Sokol from RVtravel, RVelectricity and the No~Shock~Zone. I also invented t he Neutral-Ground bonding plug referred to above, as well as taught a number of seminars on portable generator bonding and grounding principals. If I could get any support from Airstream I would love to create some Airstream specific articles and videos on AC hookup and grounding, as well as present seminars about it at some of your rallies. Please have anyone interested contact me at mike @ rvtravel (dot) com to discuss.
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Old 06-09-2019, 01:03 PM   #129
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I would be asking AS for a new trailer. Who knows what other damage it did under the skin. The least they could do is give you a loaner until yours is fixed.
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Old 06-09-2019, 01:20 PM   #130
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Knock knock

Folks Mike Sokol is reaching out.

Have you watched his hot skin and bonding plug and other RV electrical training videos?
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Old 06-09-2019, 02:14 PM   #131
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I had my 1000w Magnum inverter in my Interstate fried at Alumapalooza last year. I was not using my surge suppressor. First clue, after I left, was my batteries not getting charged. When I opened up the old inverter, one of the PC boards had been fried. Cost me about $700 to replace.
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Old 06-09-2019, 02:45 PM   #132
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I donít know why AS needs to give permission Mike - I think if youíre a vendor a selling a product you can declare that in the forums somehow - thatís all good. Iíd be glad to check out your videos and info.

Ephraim above answered my question - it seems to make more sense to my untrained mind. Iíll dig deeper but I think unless you need to declare some vendor relationship, you should feel free to post your thoughts. Love to hear them!
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Old 06-09-2019, 03:13 PM   #133
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Old 06-09-2019, 03:27 PM   #134
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Iím not sure if this question will help resolve this or not.

It seems the two camps as it were are:

A) the bonding plug is a safety device

B) the bonding plug is a device to trick a ground fault detector

While I suppose both could be true, my personal confusion is that if A is true, the plugs identified for this purpose look so small, itís hard to imagine them providing any safety - in my electricity-untrained mind, Iím envisioning the ďsafetyĒ of an 8í rod driven in to the ground to discharge a wayward voltage vs. a 3-prong plug with at best a 10G wire.

While I can clearly see how the device can trick a sensor, I canít see how it provides safety. Can that be explained to an untrained person like me?

Now that assessment and question alone likely demonstrates my complete ignorance on the matter, but for me anyway, thatís why the issue isnít settling.

If that helps focus anything - great. If it only further muddies the waters, just ignore it.

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Take a look at the size of the wire in your power panel. None of it is very large. A perfectly fine piece of wire will fit in one of those little plugs. It does not take a giant cable to get this done.

Again, none of this has anything to do with connecting to planet earth. You are simply tying two wires together the way they *should* be tied together. That's it. No downside, no risk from doing it, near zero cost.

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Old 06-09-2019, 06:25 PM   #135
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That is super scary! Being newbies, we loved all the information the different speakers gave us at our first Alumapalooza this year. We already had a good surge protector, but did not know about shutting off circuit breakers, testing electrical at power box with the surge protector BEFORE plugging in our trailer. Well, turns out that was very valuable information, since we camped on our way home from Alumapalooza, and the last campground we stopped at was one near our home that I have camped at for 30 years. We pulled in to our site, did the surge protector test, and sure enough, it showed reverse polarity! I went back to the office and told them no way I was plugging my Airstream trailer into that! They reassigned us to a site with good electric and immediately sent a technician to check out the bad electrical site. I'm sure Jackson Center will take care of you, and you can figure out exactly what happened.
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Old 06-09-2019, 06:38 PM   #136
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Take a look at the size of the wire in your power panel. None of it is very large. A perfectly fine piece of wire will fit in one of those little plugs. It does not take a giant cable to get this done.

Again, none of this has anything to do with connecting to planet earth. You are simply tying two wires together the way they *should* be tied together. That's it. No downside, no risk from doing it, near zero cost.

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Exactly right. In fact, if you have an on-board generator in your RV the transfer switch performs the function of bonding the neutral and ground together while on generator power, but separating the neutral and ground while on shore power. That's because your RV expects a bonded neutral-ground from the generator OR the shore power line (but never internally). Since a portable generator is connected to the shore power connection without a transfer switch, my simple G-N bonding plug performs this function. Simple, isn't it?
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I had posted some questions on this subject and wanted a simple yes or no answer as it pertained to my useage with my Honda EU2000. I was never able to get an answer so I took "JMSOKOL", post #125, up on his offer to assist. Below is his response to me. I hope this helps others who may be in the same situation as myself. Mike Sokol's answers are in BOLD. I appreciated his simple / straightforward response. He approved my being able to post his response to me.




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Electrical Novice here again.

Based on what I just read, the answers to my questions should be;

With that background, Will I harm my trailer if I,

1. Use a bonding plug, and use my surge protector between the generator and the RV? No, my RV will not be harmed.

Yes, you can use a bonding plug on any Honda or Yamaha Inverter generator, along with any surge protector and it works perfectly. Iím the guy who invented the generator Neutral/Ground bonding plug, so I know how this works. (Mike Sokol)


2. I am assuming by adding the surge protector in this chain will provide me with additional protection than I have had in the past. Is this a valid assumption or just an unnecessary step? Yes, it is a valid assumption in the instance that the generator does not supply correct voltage to the RV.

Is this the correct conclusion? We have 2 views of whether to use a bonding plug on a Honda 2000 or not.

Yes, you can always use the extra protection, so hooking up a surge protector to any generator is a good idea. Iíve never had a Honda or Yamaha fail in high-voltage mode, but Iíve seen this on a number of contractor and Chinese generators. (Mike Sokol)

As mentioned earlier I have not had any issues in the past of not using a bonding plug. I do not want to start using one and find out I created a problem where none existed before. If the above answers are correct, then IMO I donít care which view is correct and I wonít put my RV or myself in any danger / risk by following the above practice.






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Old 06-10-2019, 05:03 AM   #138
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glad you are on the right side of the grass

what waninae39 said is very good. Always use surge protection everywhere you go. Even if it isn't a big gathering like Alumapalooza. Park pedestals sometimes are wired incorrectly and park power surges are very common especially in the summertime with over-crowded conditions. Power surges into your coach can wear on your electrical appliances and systems and cost you a lot more $$ in the long run.
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Old 06-10-2019, 06:37 AM   #139
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