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Old 11-14-2015, 06:30 PM   #1
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LED Lights - Frequent Failure

My 2015 AS comes equipped with LED lights in every position.

I need some advice.

How to remove/replace the round ceiling light fixtures so I can repair/replace the LED's?

and second:

Is there any particular reason a LED will fail completely, then work partially or perfectly next time it's turned on?

Your advice will be appreciated....!
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Old 11-14-2015, 06:51 PM   #2
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Loose connections or solder joint bad on the assembly? That's what I'd look for.


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Old 11-14-2015, 07:18 PM   #3
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You can remove the inside glass ring to change the bulb or remove the entire fixture to access the wires to check the connection. Either way you will need strong finger nails or a sharp thin knife blade to get under both to pry off.
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Old 11-14-2015, 07:30 PM   #4
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My 2015 AS comes equipped with LED lights in every position.

I need some advice.

How to remove/replace the round ceiling light fixtures so I can repair/replace the LED's?

and second:

Is there any particular reason a LED will fail completely, then work partially or perfectly next time it's turned on?

Your advice will be appreciated....!

Could be they are overheating in the fixture if it is enclosed?

I had some in our house in enclosed light fixtures that did exactly the same thing - then I noticed fine print on the packaging that said "Not for use in enclosed fixtures."

I had them in brass/glass multi bulb octagonal ceiling fixtures. I removed two of the eight small glass panels to get airflow into the fixture, and they have been fine ever since.

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Old 11-15-2015, 11:36 AM   #5
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I have had to replace the led illuminating diode because the solder joint to the circuit board dislodged,
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Old 11-15-2015, 12:42 PM   #6
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Ah ha! The costly LED I put in my "fright light" outside failed within a few hours of use. The package it came in did not warn to not use in enclosed space.
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Old 11-15-2015, 01:23 PM   #7
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First off, if you have a 2015, the lights should be covered under warranty repair. I have a 2014 25 ft. FC FB and have had the same problem. 6 out of 10 lights out in one of my rear brake lights, LED lights failing in light fixtures over sink and then over table. All were replaced as part of my 2 year warranty. It would seem to me that if this is becoming a common problem, AS is going to need to address it.
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Old 11-17-2015, 06:45 AM   #8
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Yes, ours is a 2015 and some lights have already been replaced by my dealer. However, I am now in Florida a long ways from my home dealer and in just 2 short weeks here I have 2 defective light bulbs, both of which show partial light but are not illuminating properly.

I am asking readers for a more detailed description of "how to remove the round fixture" from it's mounting on the inside ceiling of my AS. Obviously I don't want to damage either the fixture itself or the ceiling panel.

Recovering the cost of the bulbs is not an issue at this time.....

Can anyone offer an detailed explanation as to best way to remove the fixture?
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LED Lights - Frequent Failure

The fixtures have 2 metal rings with the glass in the center. To replace the LED element, stick a fingernail under the edge of the inner ring and pry it out. The glass and its bezel (the inner metal ring) are held in by spring fingers. The entire fixture comes out by similarly popping out the outer ring/bezel - the fixture is a little can held in with spring fingers.

I wouldn't use anything metal to do this - you will inevitably scratch the light or the roof of the trailer. If your fingernails aren't getting it done, I would make a tool by taking a plastic knife (picnic utensil) and filing own the edge to a fine edge and using fine sandpaper to get it very smooth (so it doesn't mark the metal). You could also try a credit card.

Dan Brown at LED4RV.com is an expert on this stuff. I believe he worked at ODM before starting his own business and is very familiar with Airstream lighting.


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On my 2015 (which also has multiple lamp failures), the LED element is hardwired into the fixture, so only replacing the entire fixture is an option.
The replacement fixtures I received from AS have spring clips to hold them in the ceiling. You "just" pull the whole thing out and the clips will become visible. But it's hard and it will feel like you are going to break something. See attached pics.
Also, the fixtures have been wired in with crimp connectors that will not release for me.
In a home, electricians use the screw-down caps. But these are single-use crimp connector caps (not sure if there is a proper name for them).

Does anyone have advice on pulling these darn connectors apart so I can install my replacement lights?

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Those appear to be some kind of crimp-on connectors. I would just cut the wires as close to the connectors as possible. Strip the wire ends, and connect the new light wires using a twist of the wires and the appropriate sized twist-on caps.

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Sometimes you can squeeze the crimp the opposite direction from how it was originally crimped to open it up enough to remove the wires. But it's usually easiest to just cut off the connector as close as possible to the metal crimp band, and re-strip the wire. Personally, I would attach the new lights with crimp on connectors.
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Thanks guys. I'm just back from Home Depot with screw-down caps. I'm going to try again to de-crimp the existing caps, because these LED fixtures appear to be so unreliable that I anticipate having to replace them again, so I want all the length I can get on the existing wires!

I'm pretty annoyed with Airstream. They should not be failing so soon (3 bad ones in less than 6 months), and they should be modular. At least they shipped me more replacements than I asked for *probably because they know how bad the fixtures are...
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