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03-14-2017, 06:31 PM
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CabMan
1960 22' Flying Cloud
Sunlakes
, Arizona
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interior 110 v wiring
I am starting from the ground up on my 1960 Flying Cloud.What gauge wire for 110 should i use and how much needs circuits by them selves
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03-14-2017, 06:45 PM
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Rivet Master
2002 30' Classic S/O
Fleming Island
, Florida
Join Date: Nov 2013
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Go by rating information available online. My understanding is that 15A receptacles should be wired with #14 or larger, 20A receptacles with #12 or higher and the 30A primary wiring should be #10.
The National Electrical Code, also known as NFPA-70 provides guidance. Free access is available. One example of a question that must be answered is how many, and what rating, circuits can be fed by a single 30A primary feed.
Al
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03-14-2017, 08:47 PM
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Rivet Master
1969 31' Sovereign
Broken Arrow
, Oklahoma
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You may know this but it is a common mistake DO NOT tie ground and neutral together in the load center (breaker box) as is done in home wiring.
I would use 12 gauge to all outlets.
AC should be on a circuit by itself.
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03-14-2017, 10:14 PM
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Rivet Master
2022 25' Flying Cloud
NCR
, Ontario
Join Date: Feb 2017
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Al and Missy
Go by rating information available online. My understanding is that 15A receptacles should be wired with #14 or larger, 20A receptacles with #12 or higher and the 30A primary wiring should be #10.
Al
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this is 100% correct
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03-15-2017, 12:54 PM
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3 Rivet Member
2015 25' FB Flying Cloud
Sandy
, Utah
Join Date: May 2015
Posts: 229
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I believe you should also use braided not solid wire. It is a moving vehicle and the vibration over time can cause problems with solid wire.
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03-15-2017, 03:52 PM
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Wise Elder
2010 30' Classic
Vintage Kin Owner
South of the river
, Minnesota
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 4,169
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cabmike1954
I am starting from the ground up on my 1960 Flying Cloud.What gauge wire for 110 should i use and how much needs circuits by them selves
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Hi Mike.
I would recommend using #12 (and a 20a breaker) for all the circuits. It is possible to get by with #14 for all the usual purposes except the air conditioner but the cost and weight difference is negligible.
Air conditioner and (if it has an electric option) water heater will each require a circuit of their own. If you are putting in electric heat that will require its own circuit also.
Everything else can share the same circuit or be divided across two of them, your choice.
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03-15-2017, 04:01 PM
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Rivet Master
2013 25' Flying Cloud
Wheaton
, Illinois
Join Date: Aug 2014
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rocco52
I believe you should also use braided not solid wire. It is a moving vehicle and the vibration over time can cause problems with solid wire.
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Romex would be the easiest to use and is what Airstream used on my 2013 Flying Cloud
Romex does not come stranded for 10, 12 and 14 gauge, the sizes you will most likely use.
Greg
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03-15-2017, 04:04 PM
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4 Rivet Member
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Vintage Kin Owner
Sonoma Co.
, California
Join Date: Sep 2016
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Al and Missy
The National Electrical Code, also known as NFPA-70 provides guidance. Free access is available. One example of a question that must be answered is how many, and what rating, circuits can be fed by a single 30A primary feed.Al
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Also correct answer.
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03-15-2017, 04:24 PM
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4 Rivet Member
1978 25' Tradewind
1954 15' Byam Holiday
Vintage Kin Owner
Linden
, Michigan
Join Date: Jun 2014
Posts: 294
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Wire Nuts - ARE YOU NUTS!!!???
Check out this thread:
http://www.airforums.com/forums/f37/...ed-162613.html
This is what happened to me when an Airstream Dealership restored my trailer 10 years ago.
PLEASE DO NOT USE WIRE NUTS!
Only crimp or solder your connections.
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03-15-2017, 06:46 PM
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Rivet Master
1964 26' Overlander
1974 31' Sovereign
Milton
, ON
Join Date: Oct 2002
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I used 14 ga AC (armoured cable) and ran most of it through the cabinetry, under beds, etc. rather than inside the walls. I used 14 gauge wire/15 amp circuits except for the air conditioner where I used 12 ga/20amps.
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03-15-2017, 07:02 PM
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Rivet Master
Commercial Member
Vintage Kin Owner
Naples
, Florida
Join Date: Dec 2005
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You are wiring an RV.......NOT A HOUSE!
Its far closer to a boat than any house and for that reason alone (house in a hurricane maybe ), you should avoid using ROMEX like the plague. If you are taking the time to do the job properly, follow the ABYC marine standards and especially their Standard E-11.
No solid copper wire.....NO WIRE NUTS...... crimp and heat shrink everything.....proper support for long wire runs.......use of ferrules on the loose ends of stranded marine wire (tinned to defeat the corrosion issue) when placed into a screw connector......I could go on forever.
A bit more expensive than going to Home Depot and buying cheap ROMEX that WILL eventually strain harden and crack/break but if you don't value the contribution of your labor then.........never-mind!
Do it once........DO IT RIGHT!!!!!!
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03-15-2017, 09:41 PM
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Rivet Master
1977 Argosy Minuet 6.0 Metre
1973 21' Globetrotter
1975 26' Argosy 26
Vista
, California
Join Date: Sep 2006
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Do not use crimp connectors on solid wire! Romex has worked well for years, so do wire nuts, pre twist your connection trim the ends so they are even, and twist on the proper size nut. All connections should be accessible and in covered boxes.
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03-15-2017, 09:54 PM
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Rivet Master
1966 24' Tradewind
1995 34' Excella
Lynchburg
, Virginia
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 4,226
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Quote:
Originally Posted by garry
You may know this but it is a common mistake DO NOT tie ground and neutral together in the load center (breaker box) as is done in home wiring.
I would use 12 gauge to all outlets.
AC should be on a circuit by itself.
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Garry
Are you saying that the ground wires and neutral wires should be separated as is done in wiring a house sub panel box? Is this an rv code requirement?
Thanks, Dan
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03-15-2017, 10:39 PM
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Rivet Master
1977 Argosy Minuet 6.0 Metre
1973 21' Globetrotter
1975 26' Argosy 26
Vista
, California
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 589
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Yes the neutral is separate, (floating) this prevents, the possibility of the shell becoming electrified. If not separate,the shell, would be connected to the conducting wires. Bare feet wet grass you would feel it!
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03-16-2017, 06:18 AM
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Rivet Master
Commercial Member
Vintage Kin Owner
Naples
, Florida
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 7,508
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bibbs
Do not use crimp connectors on solid wire! Romex has worked well for years, so do wire nuts, pre twist your connection trim the ends so they are even, and twist on the proper size nut. All connections should be accessible and in covered boxes.
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First, I NEVER said to use crimp connectors on solid wire.....I don't EVER use solid wire.
Wire nuts????? Really????? You are NOT in a house, where they may be fine. Ever see the corrosion caused by dissimilar metals inside a wire nut that was 'sealed' with electrical tape or just left alone??????
An RV is not that much different than a boat and marine standards are exactly where the RV industry needs to be!
The only reason given by the RV industry........IT COSTS MORE!!
REALLY???? What price do you put on YOUR safety?????????
Your rig......do as you wish.......but better quality wiring and especially connections should be everyone's goal! Do you think I spent many years getting RV/Marine certifications for no reason????
And no, you don't EVER connect the grounds and neutrals in an RV!!
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