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Old 01-23-2017, 06:44 PM   #29
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dasams, not good at searching the forum and cannot find the one about running the two Honda's off one line. Can you help me out.....Andy
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Can you use the regulated propane (BBQ) connection or do you have to use a separate propane tank?
I use the BBQ connection.
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Old 01-23-2017, 07:07 PM   #31
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Here's the thread that dasams mentioned above: http://www.airforums.com/forums/f448...ml#post1816981
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Rocinante, damas and Gary....Thanks for all the info......Andy
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Old 01-23-2017, 11:15 PM   #33
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The reason the truck from the 1970's burned it's valves on propane likely was due to the alloys used for valves in that era. Those engines were designed primarily to run on leaded gasoline. It wasn't until 1974 that unleaded gasoline became commonplace, and yet most folks still burned leaded fuel because it was cheaper. The TEL (lead) left a residue on the valve seats which cushioned the seat. Using unleaded fuel on lead-fuel engines that did not have the hardened seats necessary for unleaded fuel damaged them.

That is obviously no longer a problem since proper alloys are now used on valves, however most literature I've read on propane conversions strongly advises (if not downright demands) that the engine be "broken in" on gasoline....the purpose being to properly seat the valves on gasoline before putting them into service on propane. That's what I'd do myself..... run it for 5 hours on gasoline then convert it to propane.

Propane should actually improve the life of engines since it burns cooler and produces less contaminates. I worked for the state of Texas in the late 80's and the General Land Office ran selected vehicles on nat. gas and propane and found that oil changes could be doubled without damage, and led to the use of 100% synthetic oils because those oils could withstand the longer changes since contaminates were so drastically lowered. (A significant amount of engine-wear is caused by the contaminates produced by burning gasoline and diesel.)

Propane does suffer a slight reduction in work capacity due to less energy stored, but if you're not running an AC you aren't likely to suffer from that.

Trivia: The first Ford tractors could run unleaded fuel without damage because Henry designed them (and heavily promoted the concept) to run them on pure ethanol. He thought it was a good match.... farmers raising corn and running tractors on ethanol. But Dupont, working with Standard Oil and GM developed TEL (TetraEthylLead) which allowed higher compression engines and they created Ethyl Corp who promoted leaded gasoline...much to the dismay of Henry.
The dangers of lead and the poisoning of the chemists at DuPont was kept very secret for decades. Now we know.
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Propane it is

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The reason the truck from the 1970's burned it's valves on propane likely was due to the alloys used for valves in that era. Those engines were designed primarily to run on leaded gasoline. It wasn't until 1974 that unleaded gasoline became commonplace, and yet most folks still burned leaded fuel because it was cheaper. The TEL (lead) left a residue on the valve seats which cushioned the seat. Using unleaded fuel on lead-fuel engines that did not have the hardened seats necessary for unleaded fuel damaged them.
ning of the chemists at DuPont was kept very secret for decades...
Thanks Boxite and all of you for a very enlightening and comforting responses that propane is the way to go. So one Honda EU2000i it is. But yours and others about running it on gasoline for a few hours begs the question about the GenConneX modified unit. From the photos it appears it is propane only since I don't see a gasoline filler cap. So what's up with that? I'd prefer the GenConneX product since it's already done and they offer a three year warranty. But I'm handy so could go the convert-it-myself route. What are your thoughts about which way to go?

I also never saw much about warranty. Won't a convert-it-myself void the Honda factory warranty? That's the main reason I like the GenConneX with it's warranty.

Thanks again for all the excellent responses to help me make the right decision. I can't wait to get my new International on the road and boondocked some place out in West Texas...by the way, do you like my TV? Just kidding, it's a F-350.
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Old 01-24-2017, 03:42 PM   #35
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GenConneX also claims no need to break-in on gasoline.

Do I need to ‘break in’ my generator on gasoline first?
No.* We are asked this quite often and believe it’s meant to fool consumers buying U.S. Carburetion/Snorkel tri-fuel units in two
ways. It’s a hidden way of shielding U.S. Carburetion from warranty claims by telling you to test the gasoline unit before
converting it (and steering you to the original gasoline manufacturers warranty yourself), and it forces you to fill the carburetor
float bowl with gasoline.* This stops their variable air leak that effect the tuning when the float bowl is empty by drawing air in
through the empty gas tank vent.* We seal this air passage and we test our units before shipping.


Another excellent reason for a propane-ONLY generator is that most gasoline models do not store very well without damage unless the carburetors are drained and dried (and also the gasoline tanks) ...or unless some preservation technique is used. (I store mine with aviation gasoline which does not have the problems of long storage such as ethanol-gasoline does.)

Propane is a good conversion for many, IMO.
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Genconnex tells me that LP is only a 2-3% reduction in power but Natural Gas is a 15% reduction.
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Where do you put it?

I'm considering buying the already converted generator from Genconnex, once I can get over the sticker shock. It doesn't seem much cheaper to do it myself since I have not yet bought a generator. Do they provide a cable to connect between the unit and the BBQ connector? Are you able to run it on propane even if it's full of gas?

An alternative seems to be a Champion dual fuel generator; but that thing weighs a ton and I'm not sure how it compares otherwise. They seem to be highly rated, but the weight of it is enough to turn me away. My SUV can barely haul my little trailer uphill as it is without another 100 lbs of weight. For anyone where weight is no concern though, that could be a much more affordable option.

Also, I've never used any generator; where do you put them? I'm not sure if it would fit on the tongue, and anyway how do you secure it? If it's not holding any gas, would it be ok to keep inside the car or trailer? If it's been filled with gas and empty would it give off fumes? What if I decide to bring along a can of gas for backup; not sure where to put that either.

Sorry to tack on such a newbie question.

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I'm considering buying the already converted generator from Genconnex, once I can get over the sticker shock. It doesn't seem much cheaper to do it myself since I have not yet bought a generator. Do they provide a cable to connect between the unit and the BBQ connector? Are you able to run it on propane even if it's full of gas?

An alternative seems to be a Champion dual fuel generator; but that thing weighs a ton and I'm not sure how it compares otherwise. They seem to be highly rated, but the weight of it is enough to turn me away. My SUV can barely haul my little trailer uphill as it is without another 100 lbs of weight. For anyone where weight is no concern though, that could be a much more affordable option.

Also, I've never used any generator; where do you put them? I'm not sure if it would fit on the tongue, and anyway how do you secure it? If it's not holding any gas, would it be ok to keep inside the car or trailer? If it's been filled with gas and empty would it give off fumes? What if I decide to bring along a can of gas for backup; not sure where to put that either.

Sorry to tack on such a newbie question.

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As for what accompanies the item...I suggest you confirm with the supplier. However I'm sure you do not mean "cable"... but intended to mean "hose" or "hose/regulator" etc.

You probably do not want to place it on the tongue as it will reduce your turning radius and increase the likelihood of damaging it and your tow vehicle (TV), as well as increase tongue weight.

It will always smell of gasoline after gasoline is used in it and you do not want it inside the passenger compartment ...nor do I think it wise to put in in the trunk of a car. IF carried in/on a TV it should be outside or in the bed. You might consider a front-mounted carrier.
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I am looking at the Costco Champion dual fuel 3100 vs. Honda 2000 propane generator. How do the sound levels compare on both units when running propane? Do propane fueled generators run quieter than gas powered generators?

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Holly - the Genconnex Honda that we purchased is propane only. So ask the folks specifically what the item you want to purchase includes. Pat
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I have a champion 3100 that hasn't yet been converted and I can say it
Is very quiet and easy to start.
I would have no problem buying their dual fuel and now wished that I had
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I'm considering buying the already converted generator from Genconnex, once I can get over the sticker shock. It doesn't seem much cheaper to do it myself since I have not yet bought a generator. Do they provide a cable to connect between the unit and the BBQ connector? Are you able to run it on propane even if it's full of gas?

An alternative seems to be a Champion dual fuel generator; but that thing weighs a ton and I'm not sure how it compares otherwise. They seem to be highly rated, but the weight of it is enough to turn me away. My SUV can barely haul my little trailer uphill as it is without another 100 lbs of weight. For anyone where weight is no concern though, that could be a much more affordable option.

Also, I've never used any generator; where do you put them? I'm not sure if it would fit on the tongue, and anyway how do you secure it? If it's not holding any gas, would it be ok to keep inside the car or trailer? If it's been filled with gas and empty would it give off fumes? What if I decide to bring along a can of gas for backup; not sure where to put that either.

Sorry to tack on such a newbie question.

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Having just gone through the process I would probably just buy one from Genconnex already converted. I enjoyed the process of doing it myself, but it did take a while and I had a problem with one of the bolts that wouldn't come loose. Completely stripped it and had to pay someone to take it out for me.

With the Genconnex system, once you convert it, it only runs on propane. As part of the process, you completely remove the gasoline tank. I think folks here have talked about converting it back, but it's not a simultaneous system as with some of the other conversions.

I chose to go with the propane conversion because I didn't want to store gasoline and didn't want it stored inside my generator.

Also, as I don't have a quick-connect on my AS, I asked them to send me a 12' hose so that I could connect the generator to one of my tanks to run it.
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