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Old 06-07-2016, 11:35 AM   #57
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In my view, essentially the reason for a GFI is mostly negated by using a gen set with a floating neutral.

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Thanks for the replies. And what about the Progressive 30 amp surge protector which we just got for shore power use -- is there any point in using this when the generator is supplying the power, or will the Progressive sense the lack of a true ground and refuse to connect?

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That I dont know.

I have read that some surge protectors will work with a floating neutral and some do not, but I don't remember which is which.




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Thanks for the replies. And what about the Progressive 30 amp surge protector which we just got for shore power use -- is there any point in using this when the generator is supplying the power, or will the Progressive sense the lack of a true ground and refuse to connect?

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I can't remember if it's in the Honda manual or the Progressive Industries docs but using the PI with a generator is not recommended. I'll see if I can dig up the facts on this and post tonight if someone doesn't beat me to it.
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Without a true GFI function via the generator's connection to earth via an actual physical ground wire/rod, won't the human being experience some kind of . . .



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Just one more post on this...

An earth ground on a generator is essentially meaningless, as earthing the ground is not part of the circuit at all unless it is made part of the equation via neutral bonding. Therefore, a ground stake is only going to be a benefit if the neutral is bonded, but this benefit is worse than not bonding and not driving a ground stake.

It is all about circuit path and what is included in the path. My contention is that using the earth for neutral in the electric grid is a built in concession to safety that an isolated gen set is not subject to unless it is made subject to this concession to safety. (Whether intentionally or unintentionally)

Many electric codes are written to reduce the influence of the built in hazards of using earth to transmit one of the legs that can complete a circuit.

I am not saying that using earth was a bad choice, but I am saying that an isolated gen set not running an earth neutral is safer on a fundamental level than running on shore power.


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Thanks for the replies. And what about the Progressive 30 amp surge protector which we just got for shore power use -- is there any point in using this when the generator is supplying the power, or will the Progressive sense the lack of a true ground and refuse to connect?

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Progressive video answers that question.

http://www.progressiveindustries.net...f2de902a82f4da
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Thanks YorkieMama. They have other videos also:

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