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Old 07-19-2012, 02:00 PM   #1
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Electrical current felt through bellywrap skin

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I was underneath my '74 International riveting my belly skin, when I noticed a slight electrical current when I touched the skin. The trailer was plugged into 110v at the time. Just wondering if this is just because the fuse box is grounded to the frame, or if I have to search for a wire touching somewhere? I haven't tried unplugging it from the 110v and seeing if I can feel it, but I doubt only 12v would make me feel anything.
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Old 07-19-2012, 02:11 PM   #2
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This could be dangerous. There are several forum entries on the subject and what to do to chase the short down.
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Look for a thread by purman. He had the same problem and we helped solve it. If you can't find it look for my handle and check the posts I have made in the last day or two. It will just save me time in re typing the whole thing.
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Old 07-19-2012, 03:01 PM   #4
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Look for a thread by purman. He had the same problem and we helped solve it. If you can't find it look for my handle and check the posts I have made in the last day or two. It will just save me time in re typing the whole thing.
Thanks found the thread. Now to find the light.
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The light is probably not your problem. Read what I wrote about the wiring not being correct. The light simply indicates there is a problem.
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The first thing I would check is the source ground at the house and then at the trailer.If those are good I would open the110 panel and make sure the ground connection to the panel is good.

Sound like you have a high resistance in the ground circuit and you are becoming the ground while lying on the ground.
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I'll bet the source is reversed wires at source (where/what you plug trailer in to).
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I'll bet the source is reversed wires at source (where/what you plug trailer in to).
That could be a possibility if he is plugged in with just a 2 wire connection and the ground was floating.

If he has a 3 wire connection it would blow the source fuse as soon as he plugged in because the ground and neutral are connected in the trailer electrical panel thus a direct path to ground.
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Plug tester in and they will know ASAP.
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The ground and neutral should NOT be (bonded) or connected together in the trailer. The ground path for your trailer should only be thru the panel in your house or shop. This is the point where the neutral is bonded to the ground.
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The ground and neutral should NOT be (bonded) or connected together in the trailer. The ground path for your trailer should only be thru the panel in your house or shop. This is the point where the neutral is bonded to the ground.
Thanks. That shore breaker has tripped on me a couple times. Thought it was just the new water heater overloading it. I have a tester. I'll try that and a try plugging into a different outlet, and if it persists on to the trailer. Thanks again for the help. I'll keep you posted.
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I am on the road and it didn't do it at the camp ground. It's either my garage plugs or the plug adaptor I was using. I will try the plug adaptor at the next camp ground. It looks a little melted in one of the sockets.
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The first thing I would check is the source ground at the house and then at the trailer.If those are good I would open the110 panel and make sure the ground connection to the panel is good.

Sound like you have a high resistance in the ground circuit and you are becoming the ground while lying on the ground.
Checked the outlet on my garage with a tester and it was fine so it must be the trailer. It has the factory end on the cord, so that should be fine. And I just bought a new adaptor. I'll check out the trailer tomorrow. I'll check the panel first and then? Then Ill kill one circuit and a time and Feel for the current. And ill open up the junction box in the rear storage area and see if everything looks ok. is that a good place to start?
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WAIT!! Do not "feel" for a current... or you might never get up from under the trailer! Use a electrical gauge to test for continuity between the trailer and the ground... never use yourself!!!
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