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Old 01-30-2017, 09:00 AM   #1
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The FC27 2016 has AC 120V double outlets but only one 'port' (set of three holes to match the plug) is live, the other is dummy or closed. Any reason for this? I am planning on replacing the receptacles with dual normal inputs so I can plug two devices on each, plus 2 built in USB ports. Any ideas on this?

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Are these powered by the inverter?
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Old 01-30-2017, 10:19 AM   #3
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This has been covered in threads some time ago, without an explanation as to why. However, people have replaced the outlets with good quality replacements. Others have simply used a tool to cut out the plastic blocking the plug from inserting.
I could not find shallow outlets at Lowe's that could act as a replacement so I used a Dremel tool, AC power disconnected, to cut out the plastic. Just fine now.
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No, straight 120V city power
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Cut open the covered part? Is there a receptacle for that second port past the plastic cover? That would be strange...
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My theory is to stop people from overloading the circuits. Unfortunetly that does not work. People are always posting how their CBs/fuses are blowing when running the AC, coffee pot, microwave, TV/DVD, and hair dryers all at the same time. They are totaled baffled as to why.
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My theory is to stop people from overloading the circuits. Unfortunetly that does not work. People are always posting how their CBs/fuses are blowing when running the AC, coffee pot, microwave, TV/DVD, and hair dryers all at the same time. They are totaled baffled as to why.
Aware and appreciative for your input on the limitations imposed by the breakers by design, they are meant to provide security, the weakest link (fail safe) in case of overload before the full rig goes up in smoke. I get it and it is valuable info well taken.

I also have a USB camera, Jetpack, sensors, iPhones, iPads and other devices that take very little juice but still need to be plugged.
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The FC27 2016 has AC 120V double outlets but only one 'port' (set of three holes to match the plug) is live, the other is dummy or closed. Any reason for this? I am planning on replacing the receptacles with dual normal inputs so I can plug two devices on each, plus 2 built in USB ports. Any ideas on this?

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The specific location of these outlets is key to your success. Airstream (and almost every other RV company) use what is called a 'speed-wire' outlet which is a thin, convoluted outlet that requires Romex to work correctly. The Romex is pressure fit between 2 metal forks that pierce the insulation and hold the wire in place. Then a plastic back snaps on and forms the box and lock in the Romex. It works like a Scotch-Lok connector.

These were specifically created for RV use and are extremely difficult to install. If you outlets are in an exterior wall, you will not have sufficient depth to replace them with a standard residential outlet without the use of a front extension bezel to deepen the box.

I have used a shallow plastic mounting box from Lowes that has a wide, curved back section that allows it to be rotated and slid in place and also provides room for your wires, but have not attempted to use them on Airstreams yet. They might work....depending on the death of your intended residential outlet fixture.

If they are cabinet mounted outlets, you will have no problem using a remodel box to mount a residential outlet as you should have sufficient depth to do so.

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Lewster, are you saying the outlets cannot be replaced as is and would not lay flush if they are changed out? I too, am planning on switching out to outlets that have usb ports. I am ordering the outlets from Amazon.
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The FC27 2016 has AC 120V double outlets but only one 'port' (set of three holes to match the plug) is live, the other is dummy or closed. Any reason for this? I am planning on replacing the receptacles with dual normal inputs so I can plug two devices on each, plus 2 built in USB ports. Any ideas on this?

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Which outlets are you referring to? Some blank outlets are for code compliance.
Such as outlet in a cabinet for microwave or 110volt refrigerator plugin.Sometimes they can also
be found on inverter circuit.
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Lewster, are you saying the outlets cannot be replaced as is and would not lay flush if they are changed out? I too, am planning on switching out to outlets that have usb ports. I am ordering the outlets from Amazon.
The USB outlets I ordered from Amazon were too thick. I tried three different ones from them and two from Lowes. Still have not found any that will fit.
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The only place I could get a USB outlet to fit was the nightstand in the bedroom.

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Why not use a plug in outlet that has the USB built in.
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Lewster, are you saying the outlets cannot be replaced as is and would not lay flush if they are changed out? I too, am planning on switching out to outlets that have usb ports. I am ordering the outlets from Amazon.
If the outlets that you are replacing are on the exterior walls of your Airstream, you will not have sufficient depth to use a regular residential outlet, as they MUST be placed in an insulating plastic box with all connections accessible from inside that box.

I would try Lowes or Home Depot and look for a double wide blue plastic box that provides space for the wires to gather and has a curved back that allows the box to be rotated into place. I have not tried to fit these into an Airstream exterior wall so I don't know if they will work.

I do have a 2015 25FB in the shop now for a lithium battery/Magnum Hybrid inverter upgrade and will try to fit one of these boxes tomorrow when I'm back at the shop.

I'll report back with photos either way............

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