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Old 06-16-2013, 01:06 AM   #1
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Do I have to install a 12 volt fuse panel?

Hi,

I have a 67 Caravel that i am doing a frame on redo. Right now, I am working on the electrical. I have a 70 y.o. master electrician doing the majority of the work.

It was completely gutted. New wiring. New panel. New Progressive Dynamics 9245 converter. two batteries on the tongue.

Question - He did not have a 12 volt fuse box/panel and is deciding to not put one in. Is this a bad idea? If one is not installed, what can happen or worse thing that can happen?

There is a fuse on the converter, i guess that protects it from surges, etc.

I dont have too many 12 volt circuts going. Mainly lights. An outlet, fantastic fan that has a fuse.
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Old 06-16-2013, 07:27 AM   #2
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Every 12V circuit should have it's own fuse. 12 Volt DC RV panels with a several lines are not expensive and I would certainly install one. Now is the time. An arched 12V from a big 12v battery carries lots of amps and you don't want that to happen. The 68's had a "control panel" which is up front which is basically a fusebox for the 12V system. Each 12V circuit has it's own breaker. I think the 67's had fuses/breakers back near the battery area and you can go back like the original if you don't want to buy a new panel. I'm sure someone here can send pics if you need them.
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Old 06-16-2013, 07:44 AM   #3
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See my post #601 and #602 http://www.airforums.com/forums/f36/...-38289-43.html

See post #416 http://www.airforums.com/forums/f36/...-38289-30.html

Attached diagram which calls for a fuse at 55 amps and no greater than 18" from the battery

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Old 06-16-2013, 07:52 AM   #4
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Yes, don't skimp on safety.
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Old 06-16-2013, 08:56 AM   #5
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Having a fuse in each line of 12V current draw allows you to carry on with the good circuits should one line become shorted.

They also prevent excessive current draw, which could cause a fire.

No choice: you really need them on each line.

I've attached a photo of the one we liked and bought from Vintage Trailer Supply. Easy to use, and it has a door to protect all circuits.
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Old 06-16-2013, 10:15 AM   #6
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If he doesn't think the 12 volt circuits need individual fuses or breakers you need an electrician that doesn't want to take dangerous short cuts.
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Hi,

I have a 67 Caravel that i am doing a frame on redo. Right now, I am working on the electrical. I have a 70 y.o. master electrician doing the majority of the work.

It was completely gutted. New wiring. New panel. New Progressive Dynamics 9245 converter. two batteries on the tongue.

Question - He did not have a 12 volt fuse box/panel and is deciding to not put one in. Is this a bad idea? If one is not installed, what can happen or worse thing that can happen?

There is a fuse on the converter, i guess that protects it from surges, etc.

I dont have too many 12 volt circuts going. Mainly lights. An outlet, fantastic fan that has a fuse.
Fuse panels are absolutely necessary in any electrical circuit.

They prevent fires and deaths because of a fire.

Your friend needs to practice safety, period.

His "master technician" permit should be revolked, pronto, before his misguided advice causes a death.

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Old 06-16-2013, 10:46 AM   #8
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I might as well pile on a little...............

According to RVIA standards and the NEC (hopefully, your 'master electrician' knows what those initials represent), every circuit, whether AC or DC, should have over-current protection on it to be sized according the the wire gauge being used.

That means an AC circuit breaker on every line entering the AC circuit breaker panel (hopefully you have on of these...) AND a DC fuse on every DC circuit.

Again, ampacity is determined by the wire gauge, as in 15 amps for 14AWG and 20 amps for 12AWG. You should also have a main DC fuse or circuit breaker located within 18" of the batteries sized to the cable leading to your DC fuse panel, as the purpose of a fuse or circuit breaker IS TO PROTECT THE WIRE
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If you only have a few 12v circuits, you might be able to get by with inline fuses in each circuit, though I consider them to be a bit on the troublesome side. I would at least look for marine fuse holders so that they're somewhat protected against moisture and they should be located as close as possible to the 12v source.

Electrical fires which start in the night when the RV occupants are asleep can kill.
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Old 06-17-2014, 09:37 AM   #10
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Hi,

I have a 67 Caravel that i am doing a frame on redo. Right now, I am working on the electrical. I have a 70 y.o. master electrician doing the majority of the work.

It was completely gutted. New wiring. New panel. New Progressive Dynamics 9245 converter. two batteries on the tongue.

Question - He did not have a 12 volt fuse box/panel and is deciding to not put one in. Is this a bad idea? If one is not installed, what can happen or worse thing that can happen?

There is a fuse on the converter, i guess that protects it from surges, etc.

I dont have too many 12 volt circuts going. Mainly lights. An outlet, fantastic fan that has a fuse.

I know this is an old post but it would be nice to here from original poster as what was done. I am an auto tech and yes you must have a fuse panel or inline fuse to protect each circuit. The electrician would know this seems that there may be some confussion as to what he is planning. What did you end up doing? If installed which panel did you use. This info can be helpful others doing the same thing.

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