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06-21-2015, 07:28 AM
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3 Rivet Member
2005 28' International CCD
Arlington
, Virginia
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 166
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DC Short? Odd Tingling on Door Frame
Greetings!
A very rainy night and damp morning here in PA, was climbing into my 2005 International in bare feet and noticed a slight tingling when grabbing the door frame. Unplugged the trailer from the pole, still there, tried testing it with my multimeter, black tip in the wet earth and then when touching red to parts of the frame, showing 0.48 set to 20V.
Any tips on what's going on? Would a DC short somewhere cause tingling when in bare feet? Is this a function of dampness or is there a serious issue?
Thanks,
Jim
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06-21-2015, 08:01 AM
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4 Rivet Member
Curtis Wright
Currently Looking...
Eyren Haven
, South Jersey
Join Date: Apr 2014
Posts: 326
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0.48, less than 1/2 volt will not cause tingling. Could there be any other source, maybe a capacitor?
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06-21-2015, 08:03 AM
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retired USA/USAF
2001 30' Excella
Somerset
, New Jersey
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 2,418
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I was plugged into a 20a outlet using an extension cord while visiting a friend a few years ago. When reaching into my rear storage compartment I felt a slight tingle in my forearms when in contact with the compartment door frame. Never felt it before or since. I keep it plugged in using an extension cord and a dogbone 20a adapter while parked at my son's house. I suspect 2 possibilties here. Either a bad extension cord at my friends house or his outlet may have been wired incorrectly. Havent't been back to try and duplicate or use a different extension.
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06-21-2015, 08:26 AM
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Rivet Master
1991 34' Excella
Princeton
, New Jersey
Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 7,070
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DC is not known for causing tingling.
Do you have an inverter or any solar on the trailer.
Something is generating an AC signal
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2004 Excursion 4x4
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06-21-2015, 08:54 AM
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3 Rivet Member
2000 23' Safari
Vero Beach
, Florida
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 180
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Sounds a bit nutty but are you near a radar installation? Are you near a transmitting tower(TV) or a cell tower? You can tell if it is radar by hooking an analog meter to the skin and to ground. The needle will sweep up when the radar comes around. Please don't laugh! I have seen it. Could you be near a high voltage power line? You can pick up things like you have by inductance. That is loosely defined as two conductors close by, the voltage transferring from the active conductor to the neutral conductor (like the skin of your trailer).
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06-21-2015, 09:13 AM
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Rivet Master
2006 23' Safari SE
I'm In
, Kentucky
Join Date: Dec 2012
Posts: 4,251
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Airstream Dad
Greetings!
A very rainy night and damp morning here in PA, was climbing into my 2005 International in bare feet and noticed a slight tingling when grabbing the door frame. Unplugged the trailer from the pole, still there, tried testing it with my multimeter, black tip in the wet earth and then when touching red to parts of the frame, showing 0.48 set to 20V.
Any tips on what's going on? Would a DC short somewhere cause tingling when in bare feet? Is this a function of dampness or is there a serious issue?
Thanks,
Jim
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Was there any lightning present in the area? If so, you may have experienced a streamer coming from the ground, trying to connect to a bolt in the sky.
A picture of two brothers with their hair standing on end taken in 1975 shows what can happen just moments before lightning strikes.
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Rich & Yvonne
2006 Safari SE -Dora-
2004 4Runner SE 4.7L V8
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06-21-2015, 09:13 AM
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Rivet Master
2000 31' Land Yacht
Central
, Florida
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 1,489
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Quote:
Originally Posted by HowieE
DC is not known for causing tingling.
Do you have an inverter or any solar on the trailer.
Something is generating an AC signal
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Try a 9v dc battery on the tongue
Sweat or high humidity and your hand touching 12v positive lead tingles.
No ac anywhere near the car when I experienced it.
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06-21-2015, 10:56 AM
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4 Rivet Member
1977 31' Sovereign
Lynnwood
, Washington
Join Date: Jan 2015
Posts: 311
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Static electricity. You're picking up charged particles from someplace.
Tom
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06-21-2015, 01:32 PM
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4 Rivet Member
2003 30' Classic
Stratford
, Prince Edward Island
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 259
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When winterizing my Stream, laying on the ground to open the water drains, I always get that tingling. I am usually plugged in to 15 amp service using a good extension cord and adaptor. I know I have a problem but can't find it.
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Prince Edward Island
Canada
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"Southern Belle"
'03 Classic 30'
'10 Toyota CrewMax
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06-21-2015, 02:10 PM
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Rivet Master
1991 34' Excella
Princeton
, New Jersey
Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 7,070
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Quote:
Originally Posted by macofpei
When winterizing my Stream, laying on the ground to open the water drains, I always get that tingling. I am usually plugged in to 15 amp service using a good extension cord and adaptor. I know I have a problem but can't find it.
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Yours sounds like a floating ground. Get a 3 prong receptacle tester and check the source. I am assuming that the circuit is 3 prong.
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2004 Excursion 4x4
1991 34 ft. Excella +220,000 miles, new laminated flooring, new upholstery, new 3200 lbs axles
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06-21-2015, 02:31 PM
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Site Team
2007 30' Classic S/O
Somewhere
, South Carolina
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 6,436
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DC Short? Odd Tingling on Door Frame
Worth watching.
Rv hot skin electrical testing. No matter, worth watching.
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06-21-2015, 03:54 PM
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3 Rivet Member
Middletown
, Maryland
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 159
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GCinSC2
Worth watching.
Rv hot skin electrical testing. No matter, worth watching.
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This is a good video. Mike Sokol is a sharp guy and knows his stuff.
Everyone who owns or uses an RV or trailer should watch this.
(BTW -- this video was shot just a few miles from my home at a local RV dealer -- Beckley's.)
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06-21-2015, 04:02 PM
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3 Rivet Member
Middletown
, Maryland
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 159
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Quote:
Originally Posted by macofpei
When winterizing my Stream, laying on the ground to open the water drains, I always get that tingling. I am usually plugged in to 15 amp service using a good extension cord and adaptor. I know I have a problem but can't find it.
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Hi Mac,
Not to be an alarmist, but what you are describing is potentially deadly.
Watch the video for further explanation.
You really should correct the problem before using the trailer again (at least before using it with shore power connected).
Many people are tempted to think, "Well, it's just a little tingle...". The thing is, you or someone else may be better grounded (a more 'attractive' path to ground) next time, and/or what may be a slight fault now might very well get worse.
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06-21-2015, 04:05 PM
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3 Rivet Member
Middletown
, Maryland
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 159
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Airstream Dad
Greetings!
A very rainy night and damp morning here in PA, was climbing into my 2005 International in bare feet and noticed a slight tingling when grabbing the door frame. Unplugged the trailer from the pole, still there, tried testing it with my multimeter, black tip in the wet earth and then when touching red to parts of the frame, showing 0.48 set to 20V.
Any tips on what's going on? Would a DC short somewhere cause tingling when in bare feet? Is this a function of dampness or is there a serious issue?
Thanks,
Jim
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Hi Jim,
I have to admit, your experience has me stumped.
I have the same question as HowieE -- do you have an inverter?
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06-21-2015, 04:59 PM
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2 Rivet Member
1979 31' Sovereign
westfield
, Massachusetts
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 24
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Before replacing the univolt system in my 79 sovereign we would routinely get a live current when touching the front door or frame and either step or ground. After replacing the
Univolt a few years ago the problem disappeared. I believe it was a poor ground issue but am really not 100% sure . The annoying buzzing in the speaker system stopped as well. Your unit is pretty new (comparatively speaking) I would most certainly call the experts.
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06-21-2015, 06:06 PM
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3 Rivet Member
2005 28' International CCD
Arlington
, Virginia
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 166
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Thanks! Yes, I do have solar on the trailer.
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06-21-2015, 06:24 PM
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3 Rivet Member
2005 28' International CCD
Arlington
, Virginia
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 166
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Testing at Home
OK, I've got my trailer back home and connected to my shore power.
I dug out my AC outlet tester pen (just like the video, except it doesn't go off until I still it right into the hot side of an outlet), went outside and tested the door frame, steps, etc., around it - nothing, light stays green.
I did connect my multimeter to it and set it again to DC, 200V, it's still showing a little bit of charge, maybe 0.18. Of course, it hasn't rained since last night and I drove it 200 miles, so maybe a problem dried out.
Someone asked about the solar panels, I wonder if there's a bad connection there somewhere.
Cheers,
Airstream Dad
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06-21-2015, 08:32 PM
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Regular Guy
1978 31' Sovereign
Hot Springs
, Arkansas
Join Date: Aug 2014
Posts: 603
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Do you have florescent lighting of any type or size in the coach?
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06-21-2015, 09:19 PM
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Jim&Teach
1976 31' Sovereign
Portage
, Indiana
Join Date: Dec 2014
Posts: 38
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I have the same issue when plugged in house 120volts. A little bite when changing a tire leaning against the AS. Please keep me updated. Just got "Lucille"last fall. Beside lots of leaks she rocks!!! Took her on maiden voyage last weekend. What a learning experience. 400 miles round trip. Back home safe and sound!
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