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Old 04-20-2016, 04:58 PM   #1
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Copper Clad Aluminum Wire (CCA)

It turns out, the wire I've purchased for a great price is CCA. Thankfully, it is adequately oversized in the areas I've installed it. While it may be up to par for some, I'm inclined to purchase the heavy real stuff (tinned copper strand) for all my remaining electrical work.

There is not a lot of discussion on it here. Are many others resorting to using it these days? I'm completely fed up with the "made in China" stuff at this point (for real).
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It turns out, the wire I've purchased for a great price is CCA. Thankfully, it is adequately oversized in the areas I've installed it. While it may be up to par for some, I'm inclined to purchase the heavy real stuff (tinned copper strand) for all my remaining electrical work.

There is not a lot of discussion on it here. Are many others resorting to using it these days? I'm completely fed up with the "made in China" stuff at this point (for real).
I was not aware that stranded copper clad aluminum wire was available.

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If I were you I would save the later worry and go with real copper throughout, including what is already done, but that is just me.

It will be easy to address now while the trailer is presumably apart, but very much more difficult later.


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I also would recommend not using that wire if the walls are still open. I've just seen too many burnt up connections even with copper wire. Any time two different metals touch you can have problems. At the least use anti-oxidant coating on the connections.
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It turns out, the wire I've purchased for a great price is CCA. Thankfully, it is adequately oversized in the areas I've installed it. While it may be up to par for some, I'm inclined to purchase the heavy real stuff (tinned copper strand) for all my remaining electrical work.

There is not a lot of discussion on it here. Are many others resorting to using it these days? I'm completely fed up with the "made in China" stuff at this point (for real).
Use US made marine cable by Ancor or other US companies. Stranded, tinned copper to resist corrosion and made to ABYC specifications. Get the 105ºC version and you will never have a problem….provided that all of your terminations are also done correctly!
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I was not aware that stranded copper clad aluminum wire was available.



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Yes it is, and it appears to be becoming the standard coming out of China. As a heads up to everyone, it's the Audiopipe product found on Amazon. The ratings are high but it is CCA nonetheless and they listed it as such, so I apparently overlooked that detail.



Regarding what's installed, the only wires soldered are for the tail and running lights...and 10 gauge wire with mostly LED bulbs (I know, crazy overkill). I'm pulling the rest of it for sure, and thankfully the 12/3 I used is a quality US made marine tinned copper by Lawrence Marine Products.

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Copper Clad Aluminum Wire (CCA)

I was thinking 120 volt when I made my comment above.

12 volt, especially soldered, probably wouldn't bother me too much.

FWIW, I am a big fan of copper stranded crosslink wiring for low voltage applications.

This insulation is way superior to the "parts store" vinyl insulated stuff.

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Or the great 12/2 with ground yellow plastic jacket stuff installed by Airstream for 120vac circuits..... Always sourced from the absolute lowest bidder.... Look at those cheaper than cheap outlets installed in the walls of the Airstreams today. We replaced all of ours in both trailers with Hubbell 20 amp GFI commercial grade outlets.
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I was not aware that stranded copper clad aluminum wire was available.

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Me neither. Get rid of it.
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If I were you I would save the later worry and go with real copper throughout, including what is already done, but that is just me.

It will be easy to address now while the trailer is presumably apart, but very much more difficult later.


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FYI: Aluminum wire is used, with a suitable gauge, in most transport aircraft due to the lesser weight;however....
They are connected to special plated copper lugs using a liner of perforated sleeving to really dig into the alum. They are then mightily squeezed down, and protected by waterproof compound or shrinkwrap.
"ijustly" said, above, to use a sealing compound on the joints, and he's right.

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From my experience as an electrical maintenance manager at a newspaper for 26 years, I have never seen aluminum wire hold up to anything that vibrates, correct lugs and using Penetrox included. It will crack at the connection and potentially in between,depending on how it is bent and what it rubs against that vibrates.I surely would not bury it in a wall. As it deteriorates and strand break,it will get hotter and hotter. IMHO
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Just a thought----Take a piece of aluminum and a piece of copper of the same dimension and bend them back and forth. It will not be long before you see the difference. If car makers could use it, they would went to it years ago to save money.
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My thought, in keeping some CCA to power a few exterior lights, is that the copper content of the 10 GA is still well above that of a fully copper stranded 18, 16, or even 14 GA wire - All of which are more than adequately sized for the application. But I'll likely order enough tinned copper to rip out and replace all the CCA.

There are some shocking YouTube videos describing this problem with various types of cable. Much of the CAT5 being sold now is coming with aluminum wires, while the packaging and jacket stamp say otherwise.
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