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Old 12-14-2004, 11:48 AM   #1
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Bargman 99 & LEDs?

Has anyone yet found or reproduced a true replacement for the tiered Bargman 99 “wedding cake” taillight used on 60’s Airstreams that is actually tiered, looks correct, perhaps down to the Bargman 99 lettering, and that also incorporates bright LED light array such as used on newer school buses? These would look correct on restored AS by day and be much safer at night.

I’ve searched forums and seen Inland RV and AS Dreams reproduction Bargman 99s and replacement LED array lights but not both tiered and LED array.
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Old 12-14-2004, 05:08 PM   #2
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I've seen the ones from Airstream Dreams.com and they look really nice. If you're committed to LED I'd try to adapt an LED brakelight to the Bargman duplicate. There's so many LED lights now on the internet and dealers that you should be able to find one that fits close enough to make it work.
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Has anyone yet found or reproduced a true replacement for the tiered Bargman 99 “wedding cake” taillight used on 60’s Airstreams that is actually tiered, looks correct, perhaps down to the Bargman 99 lettering, and that also incorporates bright LED light array such as used on newer school buses? These would look correct on restored AS by day and be much safer at night.

I’ve searched forums and seen Inland RV and AS Dreams reproduction Bargman 99s and replacement LED array lights but not both tiered and LED array.
Walter, I'd have to agree w/ Tin Hut, you will probably have to make them yourself via the HeathKit approach. I replaced the Bargman wedding cake lenses with the schoolbus LEDs. Vitually the same diameter but no step to them, slightly radiused edges however. It seems there was some design theme consciousness when A/S did the 60's units in that the hub caps and stop light lenses tied into one another with the steped designs. Too bad they didn't carry it through to the cabinet hardware and handles. But the split rims are pretty much gone and it seems the Bargman's are next in line as history items. It's been mentioned that the lid off a quart paint can will suffice for the backing plate for the Bargman's. So you can get what you want by drillin' out the paint lid, soldering & wiring in the LEDs and poppin' reproduced lenses from A/S Dreams on. The LEDs come as a sealed unit so I don't think you'd be able to just change out the cover on them. I think we all would like to see a PIC if you did em up proud.
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Old 12-15-2004, 03:56 PM   #4
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Thanks, perhaps I'll try the AS Dreams repro lenses and think about building LED interior unit.

Ed, where did you acquire the schoolbus type LED lights?

Hmmm...How many LEDs are in the array inside the schoolbus type?
Do they all light at once or are some taillight, others brake light?

If I just run this wire there, solder these and then splice into that...ZAP! POOF!!
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If I just run this wire there, solder these and then splice into that...ZAP! POOF!!
Most leds run on 3 volts or less so you will need a way to drop the voltage.

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Does the socket for the bulb sit upright, or at a 90 degree angle, facing directly out toward the lens?

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Has anyone yet found or reproduced a true replacement for the tiered Bargman 99 “wedding cake” taillight used on 60’s Airstreams that is actually tiered, looks correct, perhaps down to the Bargman 99 lettering, and that also incorporates bright LED light array such as used on newer school buses? These would look correct on restored AS by day and be much safer at night.

I’ve searched forums and seen Inland RV and AS Dreams reproduction Bargman 99s and replacement LED array lights but not both tiered and LED array.
A good electronic store sells led with a resistor build in so you can run on 12 volts. I build a night light for our AS . Used 2 green led's . This operates from 12 volts. I beleive they make them in many colors. In the store i went to they had red, green , blue and white but no clear. I want to replace the incadesen bulbs in the tail lites with led's use less power and are much brighter.
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Most leds run on 3 volts or less so you will need a way to drop the voltage.

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how about 4 wired in series?

that should work on 12 volts.

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I'm in the process of changing to school bus lamps on my '73 Argosy. I really like the look though a purist may feel otherwise. I was looking for brighter and safer within my budget which doesn't allow for LED's. My parts source and pictures are shown here at my new web log:

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how about 4 wired in series?

that should work on 12 volts.

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That works also. Parallel series groups of 4 leds.

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Thanks, perhaps I'll try the AS Dreams repro lenses and think about building LED interior unit.

Ed, where did you acquire the schoolbus type LED lights?

Hmmm...How many LEDs are in the array inside the schoolbus type?
Do they all light at once or are some taillight, others brake light?

If I just run this wire there, solder these and then splice into that...ZAP! POOF!!
Walter, here's where I got mine, http://www.led-r-us.com/sttlights.shtml, this link should take you directly to product page. They are 7" diameter with 60 LEDs, do the stop, turn and tail functions and are $40. each.

Here's a PIC of mine installed, with help from the Forum, together with a license plate lamp from AirStream Dreams. Have fun.
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those look great ward!

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Ed, those look great. How much trouble was it to mount them? New holes to cut/drill? Looks as if these new ones are 4 screw where old Bargmans are 3 screws. Any chance of putting those lights together with new reproduction Bargman lenses? That would give the look and function I'm after, but yes cost a bit.
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