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Old 12-17-2004, 05:13 PM   #15
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I've got to agree. Very informative site. I went to the etruckparts site mentioned in the text and really like the look of the 7 inch incondesent lights. The lenses have the 4 mounting screws similar to the Autolamp lenses currently on the coach. Plus the price is right. Granted LEDs are brighter and more durable, but to my eye they seem harsh compared to warmer glow of the bulbs.
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Old 12-18-2004, 11:39 AM   #16
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Ed, those look great. How much trouble was it to mount them? New holes to cut/drill? Looks as if these new ones are 4 screw where old Bargmans are 3 screws. Any chance of putting those lights together with new reproduction Bargman lenses? That would give the look and function I'm after, but yes cost a bit.
Thanks guys for the praise, sometimes simple tasks are the most gratifying. But it wasn't without some tension. See this thread; http://www.airforums.com/forum...ad.php?t=13810
Mounting is a no brainer. I taped the lights in place, marked the holes, drilled and installed with #10 panhead stainless screws. The lights come with a 1/4" rubber foam gasket. There is no mounting plate, mounts directly to the skin w/ the gasket sandwiched in between. The above thread will attest to the wiring, depending on your TV.

The Bargman's I recall are a 2 hole mounting plate to the skin. The 3 holes you see are for the lense to mount to the plate. As I mentioned before, the LED's are a sealed unit and the aspect of cutting it apart to pop a Bargman lens on it, well, I don't think so. Unless the dimensions are perfect and your a master with a drimel. That's why I suggested you would have to build the LED aray on a backing that will accept the Bargman lens cover. These LED stop, turn, tail lamps I used are rated for 100,000 hours, just like other ones offered for twice the price. That's 11 years of 24 hour days. They also feature more individual LED's than some. Some lamps offered feature 48 LEDs, these have 60. They are all made in China and the spec is what is critical, but all manufacturers rate their product at 100,000 hours, so what the heck, I shopped price, function and appearance.

You can keep the Bargman's and brighten them up by using an LED tail light bulb. That would be a $6-12.00 upgrade per side. So the finished image on the trailer would be orginal but I believe the LEDs are a more directional kind of light and a hot spot might be appearant in the center of the lens. They may also be too high of a temperature that could cause melting of the lens when stuck at a RR crossing with your brake activated, as an example. The other forensic question would be the refraction of the Bargman lens as it may relate to the LED light source.

I'm refurbishing and upgrading my rig as opposed to restoring it as it's a boderline wreck. See the sheet metal door the PO used? The systems are toast and what isn't is 40 years old and served it's useful life. Inland's comment about safety while towing was really the influencing factor to change them out. The rear end doesn't feature any additional clearance lights on mine nor do I wish to add any so some simple clean new LEDs were the solution for me.

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Old 12-18-2004, 12:41 PM   #17
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You can keep the Bargman's and brighten them up by using an LED tail light bulb. That would be a $6-12.00 upgrade per side. So the finished image on the trailer would be orginal but I believe the LEDs are a more directional kind of light and a hot spot might be appearant in the center of the lens. They may also be too high of a temperature that could cause melting of the lens when stuck at a RR crossing with your brake activated, as an example. The other forensic question would be the refraction of the Bargman lens as it may relate to the LED light source.
LEDs are very directional. The incandescent replacement led bulbs are nearly useless in many applications because of this. The led auto lamps have the leds mounted in a circuit board so they all face the lens. They don't put out any appreciable heat, one of the reasons they are so efficient as opposed to the heat producing incadescents.

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Old 12-18-2004, 06:56 PM   #18
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LEDs are very directional. The incandescent replacement led bulbs are nearly useless in many applications because of this. The led auto lamps have the leds mounted in a circuit board so they all face the lens. They don't put out any appreciable heat, one of the reasons they are so efficient as opposed to the heat producing incadescents.

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... what you're saying is that LEDs are C L!
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Way COOL!! Those and the colored versions of the fluorescent tubes that are used on LCDs for light.

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Old 12-19-2004, 08:42 PM   #20
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Thanks, it looks like the new LED bus lights Ed found are the way to go. I was going to keep the Bargmans for looks but I'm not really restoring the Safari just trying to keep it as original as possible. However, safety wins. I travel in fog and on windy mountain roads. Harsh, smarsh, I want the rear of this toaster to be seen by clowns traveling way too fast on foggy mountain roads.


I still have too many vivid memories of 6V positive ground tail lights

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Hi Guys,
This is an old thread, but I'm new to this and need some advise. I purchased a pair of Bargman 99 replacement lens (new reproductions that look great). I was told that that was what was on my 1966 Overlander originally, but looking at what is on there now it appears that they might be the 4 screw school bus type that I've seen in this thread??? The one's I have now actually have 8 holes in them, but only four screws and so I'm totally confused
Does anyone know if there is an easy light assembly I can use with my new Bargman 99's, it sounds like LED's are the way to go, but I'm not sure I can build something from scratch? Just remember I'm a babe in the woods when it comes to this, I've only owned my girl 1 month and she was at the shop getting a complete systems overhaul most of that time. I would like to keep her as original as possible, but am also wanting her to be safe.
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Hi Guys,
This is an old thread, but I'm new to this and need some advise. I purchased a pair of Bargman 99 replacement lens (new reproductions that look great). I was told that that was what was on my 1966 Overlander originally, but looking at what is on there now it appears that they might be the 4 screw school bus type that I've seen in this thread??? The one's I have now actually have 8 holes in them, but only four screws and so I'm totally confused
Does anyone know if there is an easy light assembly I can use with my new Bargman 99's, it sounds like LED's are the way to go, but I'm not sure I can build something from scratch? Just remember I'm a babe in the woods when it comes to this, I've only owned my girl 1 month and she was at the shop getting a complete systems overhaul most of that time. I would like to keep her as original as possible, but am also wanting her to be safe.
Thanks for any and all input,
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What you have are the "other" Bargman lights, actually not Bargman, but Auto-Lite taillights.
My 1963 Overlander has those as well. There are 4 holes that allow access to the backing plate mounting screws, and 4 screws holding the lens to the backing plate.
Some say that a gallonpaint can lid can be substituted for a backing plate, of course holes need to be drilled and lamp holders installed.
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What you have are the "other" Bargman lights, actually not Bargman, but Auto-Lite taillights.
My 1963 Overlander has those as well. There are 4 holes that allow access to the backing plate mounting screws, and 4 screws holding the lens to the backing plate.
Some say that a gallonpaint can lid can be substituted for a backing plate, of course holes need to be drilled and lamp holders installed.
OK, so if I have Auto-Lite taillights is it OK for me to switch to the Bargman 99's I just bought? Would I be committing a major A/S no-no?
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OK, so if I have Auto-Lite taillights is it OK for me to switch to the Bargman 99's I just bought? Would I be committing a major A/S no-no?
Nah, I believe that the Bargmans were more popular anyways. At least lenses are still available for the Bargmans, whereas teh Auto Lites are far and few, if any.
Actually, I would not mind a spare set of the 8-hole ones, if ever anyone runs across them in nice condition.
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Old 03-09-2006, 12:54 PM   #25
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I,ve been trying to find the Autolamp lenses since I bought the GT 6 years ago. Rebuilt the bases and they work fine. Even found and measured some I saw on a vintage SOB with a different manufaturers name, (which escapes me now).
There was a pair of no name 4 (8) hole lights on eBay last month. Went for $225.
I'll be adding a set of the Bargman replacements to the yearly order to Inland RV.
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My plan for the rear tail/brake lights on my '59 was to add a third light assembly that I can plug in frokm the interior and put above the bathrrom vanity to show through the window only temporarily while traveling. Something in a long, rectangular shape but with minimal height filled with LEDs. Retaining the vintage appearance is vital to my renovation. Some type of mounting system maybe on the curtain rod or something similiar that could be plugged in to the existing wiring under the bathroom cabinet and put away when not towing. Sounds fairly simple to me but will probably end up being alot more work than I am imagining. Besides, I rarely tow in the dark but dusk, fog and mountain curves have low or minimal visibility.

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My plan for the rear tail/brake lights on my '59 was to add a third light assembly that I can plug in frokm the interior and put above the bathrrom vanity to show through the window only temporarily while traveling. Something in a long, rectangular shape but with minimal height filled with LEDs. Retaining the vintage appearance is vital to my renovation. Some type of mounting system maybe on the curtain rod or something similiar that could be plugged in to the existing wiring under the bathroom cabinet and put away when not towing. Sounds fairly simple to me but will probably end up being alot more work than I am imagining. Besides, I rarely tow in the dark but dusk, fog and mountain curves have low or minimal visibility.

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Why not just leave that bathroom light on, then? The entire window will be like a huge taillight. It will not hurt your battery while towing, either, since it is being charged by the tow vehicle.
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Bargman 99 Replacement on it's way

Hi Guys,
I just purchased a beautiful set of Bargman 99 replacement lens. They were a bit pricey, but worth it I think. I contacted the seller to see if he knew of where I could find the light portion and he is reproducing that right now and expects it to be ready within the next 60 days. Here is what he wrote:

"I have the base in production right now. It should be available within the next 60 days. I promise it will be much better than the original! Send me an email directly at markbschick@comcast.net so I can capture your email and let you know when they are ready. Thanks for the help in promoting the lenses. I spent over $5,000 making the mold and I'm a long way from recovering my costs. Your help is greatly appreciated."

If his bases are as nice as the lenses they will be worth every penny he asks. I have been reading this thread with great interest and asked him if he was using LED's instead of traditional bulbs, but I haven't heard back yet.
I'll keep you posted.
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