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06-26-2018, 09:23 AM
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2 Rivet Member
2019 25' International
Evergreen
, Colorado
Join Date: Jun 2018
Posts: 46
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2019 Factory Solar Upgrades
Just ordered a 2019 25FB Twin Signature with factory solar. Are there any easy inexpensive upgrades that I can do that well help it run better?
Thanks!
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06-26-2018, 11:09 AM
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Site Team
2009 25' FB International
2018 27' Globetrotter
Tavares
, Florida
Join Date: Mar 2014
Posts: 3,722
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Congratulations!
What do you consider inexpensive? And could you narrow the definition of "run better"?
We would be glad to help!
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06-26-2018, 12:23 PM
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2 Rivet Member
2019 25' International
Evergreen
, Colorado
Join Date: Jun 2018
Posts: 46
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I read that the controller sucks. So maybe swap that out. $500 budget if necessary. We never camp with shore power, but get plenty of sunlight in Colorado. Only high wattage device would be a small Kuerig, TV, and maybe run the furnace occasionally.
Thanks!
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06-26-2018, 12:38 PM
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2 Rivet Member
2018 30' Flying Cloud
Gig Harbor
, Washington
Join Date: May 2018
Posts: 96
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In addition I would look at getting the batteries upgraded. If AGM you should be good but see what deals you can get for lithium-ion (would require additional battery management depending on battery). We just got our 2018 20' FC and I probably would've purchased solar, we purchased 2 Renogy suitcases. We also bought 2 6v AGM batteries. Another add-on or have them do if you're not handy would be look at hot water on demand (if not boon docking a lot), 4G LTE enhancer i.e. WeBoost and bike rack. Also look at the hitch, try and get at least a good anti-sway weight distribution hitch added (Blue Ox or ProPride, depending on budget). Do your homework on the hitches as there are many different opinions and price goes from $500 - $2700.
Hope this helps!
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06-26-2018, 01:06 PM
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"Cloudsplitter"
2003 25' Classic
Houstatlantavegas
, Malebolgia
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 20,000
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Or possibly...
.....delete the 'factory option' and go with an AM Solar(Lew Farber here on forums), aftermarket system. Much better choice. 👍
Bob
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06-26-2018, 01:59 PM
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Rivet Master
2015 30' Classic
Pleasanton
, California
Join Date: Jan 2015
Posts: 745
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... or delete the factory option and install it yourself and save a bundle. You can select an MPPT controller and battery monitor and install much more power on the roof for less than what Airstream is proposing. Airstream provides all the pre-wiring for an easy DIY installation.
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Al, K6IV
2015 30' Classic, "Chez Nu"
2014 RAM 2500 w/Cummins Diesel
ProPride Hitch, 400 W Solar
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06-26-2018, 02:01 PM
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2 Rivet Member
2019 25' International
Evergreen
, Colorado
Join Date: Jun 2018
Posts: 46
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If you go AM Solar, who installs the system? What would labor cost?
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06-26-2018, 03:51 PM
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"Cloudsplitter"
2003 25' Classic
Houstatlantavegas
, Malebolgia
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 20,000
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Coolio
If you go AM Solar, who installs the system? What would labor cost?
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Lew Farber 👍
Bob
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I’m done with ‘adulting’…Let’s go find Bigfoot.
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06-26-2018, 04:38 PM
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Site Team
2017 30' International
Broomfield
, Colorado
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 3,555
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I highly recommend Lew. Pro. He set us up with a small system for boondocking. Couple new batteries, couple solar panels. Stuff like that. Works great!
http://www.airforums.com/forums/f539...um-182406.html
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06-26-2018, 04:48 PM
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Rivet Master
1962 28' Ambassador
1961 19' Globetrotter
1962 26' Overlander
Mesa
, Arizona
Join Date: Jun 2013
Posts: 5,996
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Wulf that looks so nice and neat. We've met Lew at a seminar great guy.
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06-26-2018, 05:45 PM
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2 Rivet Member
2019 25' International
Evergreen
, Colorado
Join Date: Jun 2018
Posts: 46
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Wulfratt,
What does a system like that cost?
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06-26-2018, 05:51 PM
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Half a Rivet Short
2017 30' Classic
2022 Interstate 24X
Carlisle
, Pennsylvania
Join Date: May 2017
Posts: 15,736
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Hi
Simple answer: The factory solar option has been pretty much the same for several years. You can upgrade the controller and get another 5 to 10% out of the system. That will run you a couple hundred dollars. It can also add cool features like logging and a phone based app.
Best way to "improve" the system - add another panel and keep the existing controller. That adds another 50% to the output.
Bob
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06-26-2018, 06:48 PM
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Site Team
2017 30' International
Broomfield
, Colorado
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 3,555
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2019 Factory Solar Upgrades
Quote:
Originally Posted by Coolio
Wulfratt,
What does a system like that cost?
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It’s quite an investment if you want true independence from the grid without giving up all of the amenities of shore power including the ability to run the Air Con off the batteries.
The two victron 300ah batteries are about $8k alone. Those are just two bits in a long list of equipment. Install was about 70 hours of professional services.
I would add that after the dust settles you can claim back 30% of total expenses in a renewable energy tax credit on your federal filing as the trailer is considered a second property. So that helps take some of the edge off.
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06-27-2018, 08:22 AM
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2 Rivet Member
2019 25' International
Evergreen
, Colorado
Join Date: Jun 2018
Posts: 46
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I currently have 2 Trojan T-105 6 volt batteries in my old trailer that are about 2 years old. Would those work well with adding 4x100 watt panels and a Victron SmartSolar MPPT 100/30?
Also, how much time do I have to make changes like deleting a factory option from an order? I just placed my deposit and order Monday.
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06-27-2018, 09:05 AM
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2 Rivet Member
2019 25' International
Evergreen
, Colorado
Join Date: Jun 2018
Posts: 46
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One more question. If I do the factory solar, can I just add 2 more 100 watt panels to the existing system and swap out the Atkinson to the Victron SmartSolar MPPT 100/30?
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06-27-2018, 09:24 AM
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Rivet Master
2011 22' Sport
Portland
, Oregon
Join Date: Aug 2017
Posts: 657
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What are they charging you for the factory solar? All they are doing is attaching a panel to the roof and connecting a charge controller, the wiring exists even if you don't opt in to buy it from the factory. That means you can probably spend the same amount of money on "more", being a better charge controller and perhaps a better panel...so why would you buy the factory stuff just to toss it out within weeks/months? That seems rather foolish, a used factory charge controller has very little value used.
You probably should outline what you are trying to achieve. The factory solar may be entirely adequate for some, but if you expect to replenish batteries for using an inverter all day to run a coffee maker then that is a drastically different discussion. You need to quality your energy consumption if you want to have a system that "meets your needs".
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06-27-2018, 09:34 AM
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2 Rivet Member
2018 30' Classic
2001 25' Safari
Chagrin falls
, Ohio
Join Date: Jun 2018
Posts: 26
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Why don't you simply buy a new Honda 2200 gen, convert it to propane (the gas is a hassle) and call it a day? I just don't get all this consternation, money, and confusion about how to effectively go off grid? The Honda is quiet and will ensure that your batteries are always topped off....also, if it's a "green thing" then read about how batteries and solar panels are made, also look up how Cobalt is processed to make the crazy expensive LiIon batteries.....it's the least green mining on the planet!!!!
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06-27-2018, 09:37 AM
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2 Rivet Member
2019 25' International
Evergreen
, Colorado
Join Date: Jun 2018
Posts: 46
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They'll only deduct $800 from my sales price if I remove solar, so I figure I'll just keep it. The 2 batteries and 2 panels that I keep should be worth the $800. I'm almost 21% off MSRP on the deal, and don't real want to screw it up.
Inverter Power needs:
small Keurig to make 4-6 coffees per day
charge a laptop
run 2 TVs in the evening
dvd player
charger for 2 ipads and 4 iphones
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06-27-2018, 09:42 AM
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2 Rivet Member
2019 25' International
Evergreen
, Colorado
Join Date: Jun 2018
Posts: 46
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I really don't like the sound of a generator while camping. I know the Hondas are quiet, but you can still hear them. The only time we would use a generator would be for AC. Since we usually camp above 10,000' we almost never use it.
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06-27-2018, 09:50 AM
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Rivet Master
2011 22' Sport
Portland
, Oregon
Join Date: Aug 2017
Posts: 657
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Coolio
Inverter Power needs:
small Keurig to make 4-6 coffees per day
charge a laptop
run 2 TVs in the evening
dvd player
charger for 2 ipads and 4 iphones
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Power the iPad and phones from 12V native receptacles, otherwise you are converting 12VDC to 110VAC to 5VDC with losses along the way...and with the long charge time that those devices may have it adds up quickly.
Depending on your laptop, you can also find a car/mobile charger for it to avoid doing the same thing (12VDC to 110VAC to ~19VDC).
On the Keurig other than that I don't think they should exist due to the massive amount of waste and pollution their "cups" create, and that they at best produce consistently mediocre coffee. Sorry to be blunt, but this goes against most principles of enjoying the outdoors due to those disposable cups. I would suggest looking at pour over (e.g. Chemex or V60 cup), a French press, an AeroPress or any other method that you can just heat water with your propane stove top...as using an inverter to heat water is not efficient. Slow down an enjoy a *good* cup of coffee
The TVs are tricky and can waste a lot of energy via an inverter...never makes sense to me that to this day AS doesn't include 12V powered TVs and DVD players. The TV and DVD player are both DC powered internally, so you are wasting energy again with the 12VDC -- 110VAC -- ~12-24VDC conversion.
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