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11-21-2013, 08:40 AM
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1 Rivet Member
1975 31' Excella 500
Ames
, Iowa
Join Date: Nov 2013
Posts: 13
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New owner, exciting aquisition
Hello all!
I have been looking for a camper solution for a few years, bouncing back & forth between renovating a motorized RV or a shuttle bus. In my search for the perfect vehicle I found an 1969 Avion for sale in my home town. The price was right, but it was a lost cause. It got me thinking about the advantages of a trailer and how cool vintage aluminum is. I hit craigslist and found a promising 1977 AS Excella only 5 hours (!) away near Topeka. After talking with the owner for a while i decided it was worth the trip.
On arrival, I found pretty much what I expected and hoped for. For a 36 year old trailer it was in better than average condition. Some floor rot, a dent and a ruined fresh water system. Bought it for the asking price of $2500. Getting it home was the exciting part...
She had new tires and seemed to ride okay. My old truck (1999 Ram 1500 4x4) didn't much care for the tow and dropped to 7 mpg, but seemed to handle it okay.
My newly installed brake controller worked great, which was a very good thing when the front right wheel of my fell off at 65 mph just outside of Kansas City. That's right: My wheel fell off.
Evidently, the lugs had been over-tightened. I think the trailer brakes acting as an anchor are the only thing that stopped me from heading for the ditch or swerving into oncoming traffic! Once I got slowed down, my wheel passed me in the ditch at about 50 mph. Very surreal. Long story short, I was very lucky I didn't hit someone or have a totally wrecked vehicle. I got the wheel back, got a tow and had it repaired (on a Sunday) in less than 5 hours. The day cost me about $1000 more than I had planned, but it was a small price to pay.
I am now 2 weeks into the renovation. I'm pretty much gutting it and starting from scratch.
Look for me in the repair forums!
iowamike
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11-21-2013, 09:01 AM
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"Tinbad ... the Trailer"
1971 25' Tradewind
1965 26' Overlander
Ferndale
, Washington
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 356
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Great story Mike! Glad you, the truck and the trailer survived with minimal drama.
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11-21-2013, 09:12 AM
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Rivet Master
2014 31' Classic
2015 23' International
2013 25' FB International
Apache Junction
, Arizona
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 6,215
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That truck wheel incident reinforces the concept of using a torque wrench on wheel lug nuts versus an air impact wrench set at who knows what torque value which changes with the air pressure in the line.
At my local CostCo tire service, the the final tightening is done to the manufactures lug nut torque value with a calibrated torque wrench.
Mercedes years ago would fire a mechanic if they used an impact wrench on wheel bolts because they could warp the disk brake rotors as well as over stress the wheel bolts.
Welcome to the forums. Lots of renovation reading here to cure insomnia.
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TV - 2012 Dodge 2500 4x4 Cummins HO, automatic, Centramatics, Kelderman level ride airbag suspension, bed shell
2014 31' Classic w/ twin beds, 50 amp service, 1000 watt solar system, Centramatics, Tuson TPMS, 12" disc brakes, 16" tires & wheels
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11-21-2013, 11:05 AM
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2 Rivet Member
2008 30' Classic
Town
, Iowa
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 27
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Wow Mike that story will be around for years to come. Winter is on the way in Iowa, will you be working on the AS or wait til Spring. Welcome and good luck.
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11-21-2013, 11:49 AM
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1 Rivet Member
1975 31' Excella 500
Ames
, Iowa
Join Date: Nov 2013
Posts: 13
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I'm getting as much done as I can before the snow flies! It may do so in a matter of hours though!
I have the floor rot cut out and I am hoping to get it repaired before it gets cold enough to keep my butt inside.
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11-21-2013, 12:18 PM
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Rivet Master
1966 17' Caravel
Newport
, North Carolina
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 1,291
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Looks like you have a plan! Looks great so far but are you planning to repair or replace the floor? Enjoy you purchase and I prefer bow ties to mopars which is old school because they are so much the same now.
Cliff
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Gotta get busy! Have a great day! Now where did I put those revits?
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11-21-2013, 01:22 PM
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1 Rivet Member
1975 31' Excella 500
Ames
, Iowa
Join Date: Nov 2013
Posts: 13
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Except for the three areas in the photos, the floor is in pretty good shape. My plan in to replace those areas with 3/4 exterior plywood. I will grind out a scarf joint so the patches will have 2-3" of overlap with the existing floor. I will be using a lot of fiberglass roving and West 105/205 epoxy to hopefully keep it from happening again.
edit: the big patch where the toilet was was patched by the PO with MDF and was pretty bad. I expanded the area to be replaced so that the 2 inner edges will sit on the (rusted but solid) frame rails. I will probably remove some of the belly pan to run some screws up through the flooring into the shell rim.
The black water tank is badly broken and I can't find a replacement at the moment. I'm just flooring it over for now & will run with a porta pot until I can find a solution.
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11-21-2013, 03:21 PM
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Rivet Master
1977 Argosy 24
Currently Looking...
Milltown
, Wisconsin
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 1,087
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Hook up the furnace and you will be able to work on the inside no matter what the outside temp is.
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11-21-2013, 03:57 PM
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Rivet Master
1976 31' Sovereign
Missouri City
, Texas
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 1,233
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ventport
Hook up the furnace and you will be able to work on the inside no matter what the outside temp is.
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Be careful with an old furnace. If cracked or damaged you could have gas leaks or carbon monoxide.
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1976 31' Sovereign
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11-23-2013, 04:42 AM
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3 Rivet Member
1969 18' Caravel
, Iowa
Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 177
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Hi Mike & Welcome to the Airstream family!
I'm glad your 'mishap' resulted in only minimal damage and no injuries.
Just out of curiosity I ask, during your search for a motorhome/trailer, did you happen to see an Airstream funeral coach there in Ames? I spotted one there (off Lincolnway, on the East side of town) several years ago and wonder what became of it. It appeared tired; but I've thought one of these would make a neat project resulting in a classy motorhome with room enough to carry a motorcycle or two, or maybe an ATV, with ramp access.
Anyway, it sounds like you are making good progress on your trailer and I hope to run into you sometime here in Iowa.
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WBCCI #4568
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11-23-2013, 08:44 AM
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Rivet Master
2005 30' Land Yacht 30 SL
Oakland County
, Michigan
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 506
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New Owner, Harrowing Experience!
Thank you for sharing! Glad you're safe, keep us updated on your progress.
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2005 ASLYG 30 SO
2009 Wrangler Toad
Michigan
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11-25-2013, 11:35 AM
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1 Rivet Member
1975 31' Excella 500
Ames
, Iowa
Join Date: Nov 2013
Posts: 13
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkE
Hi Mike & Welcome to the Airstream family!
I'm glad your 'mishap' resulted in only minimal damage and no injuries.
Just out of curiosity I ask, during your search for a motorhome/trailer, did you happen to see an Airstream funeral coach there in Ames? I spotted one there (off Lincolnway, on the East side of town) several years ago and wonder what became of it. It appeared tired; but I've thought one of these would make a neat project resulting in a classy motorhome with room enough to carry a motorcycle or two, or maybe an ATV, with ramp access.
Anyway, it sounds like you are making good progress on your trailer and I hope to run into you sometime here in Iowa.
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I haven't seen anything like that around here. Sounds interesting though!
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11-25-2013, 03:55 PM
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New Member
2010 20' Flying Cloud
hailey
, Idaho
Join Date: Aug 2013
Posts: 1
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This is my first message since buying my 20ft Flying Cloud exactly 3 years ago, so bear with me please and excuse me if this isn't the proper forum. I would like to ask something related to IowaMike's wheel loss. Just having a single axle with two wheels on my unit makes me nervous, for reasons such as what Mike experienced or just a tire failure while driving 60mph. Can someone provide me with some feedback please re your own expeiences? (Hint: The preferred answer is nothing happens... ). Than you. Jon
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11-25-2013, 04:48 PM
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Rivet Master
1966 17' Caravel
Newport
, North Carolina
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 1,291
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Jon, I am by no means a pro but at 57 I do feel qualified to answer your question. Wheel falling off a road kill yeti getting stuck in the belly pan or in the case of the unsinkable titanic an ice issue! The best we can do is insure the axle is of the proper capacity and the tires are good brakes works properly and we drive safely! There is nothing that is 100% safe (before you answer remember asteroids) we only do the best we can in get some good insurance!
It is just my opinion take it as you will
Cliff
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Gotta get busy! Have a great day! Now where did I put those revits?
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11-26-2013, 01:12 PM
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3 Rivet Member
1969 18' Caravel
, Iowa
Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 177
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Jon,
What Cliff said. Plus, check out some of the tire debate threads (there are several): but don't let the tire failure stories freak you out.
My advice is NOT to run 'radial tires' on your trailer. What I have gleaned from this forum & my experience is that 'radials' tend to shred and come apart in a failure while 'conventional' trailer tires do not: they just go flat.
'Just my opinion, but maybe worth considering.
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WBCCI #4568
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11-26-2013, 01:22 PM
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Rivet Master
2014 30' FB FC Bunk
Hoover
, Alabama
Join Date: Dec 2012
Posts: 3,530
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"before you answer remember asteroids"
or even worse, our sun running out of hydrogen gas and expanding, and earth's heat death, which is innevitable :O
Whew, glad you are safe!! Im off to check torque on all wheels before my trip on thursday!!
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11-26-2013, 01:36 PM
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Rivet Master
1966 17' Caravel
Newport
, North Carolina
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 1,291
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Got that sun thing covered!! Have beagle (serious gas producers) it is thanksgiving and turkey is his fav! Lol enjoy my friend!
Cliff
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Gotta get busy! Have a great day! Now where did I put those revits?
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11-26-2013, 01:47 PM
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Rivet Master
2014 30' FB FC Bunk
Hoover
, Alabama
Join Date: Dec 2012
Posts: 3,530
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RM66caravel
Got that sun thing covered!! Have beagle (serious gas producers) it is thanksgiving and turkey is his fav! Lol enjoy my friend!
Cliff
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oh my, forgot about that...your beagle plus my boston terrier and we will cover our thermonuclear fusion needs for a much longer time
Enjoy that turkey! take care...watch out for ol' murphy!
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11-26-2013, 02:32 PM
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Rivet Master
Commercial Member
1957 30' Sovereign of the Road
1959 28' Ambassador
1949 24' Limited
Peru
, New York
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 745
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Quote:
Originally Posted by iowamike
Except for the three areas in the photos, the floor is in pretty good shape. My plan in to replace those areas with 3/4 exterior plywood. I will grind out a scarf joint so the patches will have 2-3" of overlap with the existing floor. I will be using a lot of fiberglass roving and West 105/205 epoxy to hopefully keep it from happening again.
edit: the big patch where the toilet was was patched by the PO with MDF and was pretty bad. I expanded the area to be replaced so that the 2 inner edges will sit on the (rusted but solid) frame rails. I will probably remove some of the belly pan to run some screws up through the flooring into the shell rim.
The black water tank is badly broken and I can't find a replacement at the moment. I'm just flooring it over for now & will run with a porta pot until I can find a solution.
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Hi Mike,
Interesting recovery story You might want to look into some threads on floor replacement, because you need to remove the the interior lower wall sections in the area where you're installing the repair floor section. This is necessary in order to "bolt" the perimeter aluminum "C" channel through the floor section & into the steel below. This is a critical part of the structure & should not be overlooked by just screwing from below. You'd be asking for trouble down the road.
Colin
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11-26-2013, 03:11 PM
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Rivet Master
2016 25' Flying Cloud
Sunnyvale
, California
Join Date: Jul 2003
Posts: 1,894
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Mike- Welcome and glad all is OK.. Important moral of story is that over-tightening lug nuts can stretch and then break studs off, leaving either tow vehicle or trailer balancing on less than required number of rubber things.. Allegedly newer lug studs are perhaps less "over-designed" and might be more sensitive to a few hundred extra foot-pounds of torque, though none are really to be expected to withstand repeated over-torqueing.. Using trailer brakes was good technique for newbie.. Good luck with renovation as well. Using "Search" tab above, there are a lot of threads by topic in restoration stories, so you'll have lots to read when it is too cold to work on trailer.. My only advice is to throw very little away, as old parts make good templates even if you don't use them, and some were pretty cleverly designed by Airstream for specific purpose and locations... PEX seems to be the way to do plumbing, and lighter cabinetry is better, when practical...
and Jon-
There are also threads describing tire failures at speed in both single axle and double axle trailers... Doubles are better, since trailer will remain on road and under control if only 1 tire fails, though depending on location and failure mode departing tread or parts may damage aluminum or wheel wells. Most single axles have skid or metal under rear bumper that will allow trailer to slide on one wheel and come to a stop. Search for "tire failure" or "single axle safety" and you should find some of them.. And unless failure is very slow loss of pressure, you will definitely hear and feel change in event trailer loses tire on single or double axle...
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