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Old 10-25-2013, 04:33 PM   #1
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We don't have our Airstream as of yet, but we have it narrowed down to 2 units. 1st pick by my wife is 2014 Flying Cloud 25 with the rear Twin Beds. The 2nd is an International Signature 23FB. Our deciding point is what vehicle to use for towing. We looked at a 2014 Jeep GC V6 Laredo E which won't tow the FC 25. We can tow it with our current V10 Ram 4X4 that gets terrible mileage or buy a new PU.

We are selling 2 motorcycles, both our cars and a Toy Hauler. Once they start moving a decision will have to be made.

Any comments concerning either unit would be appreciated.

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Old 10-25-2013, 04:45 PM   #2
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They are both nice ... tough choice. How do you anticipate using your trailer? For longer trips the 25 would be more comfortable - loads more storage. Will you be traveling with kids, pets, etc?

Keep in mind that tow vehicles come and go. You'll likely have the Airstream for a loooong time. Welcome to the forum
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Old 10-25-2013, 04:47 PM   #3
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Greetings from the Florida Panhandle

First off, welcome to the Forums. We're glad to have you with us.

As to your question, we have had a 2005 Safari 25FB since new. We have camped in it for almost 1,400 nights, and have towed it 115,000 miles. We have really enjoyed it. The floor plan worked really well for us. That being said, we just traded it in on a 2012 Flying Cloud 23FB. We wanted to downsize.

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Old 10-26-2013, 01:58 PM   #4
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Just to throw this out there - last weekend and this weekend I'm towing our 2007 23' Safari SE with a 2014 Grand Cherokee with the V6 and 8spd automatic. It's a company car - usually I tow with a Hemi V8 powered Durango.

I'm amazed by how well the V6 pulls the trailer. The 8 speed automatic makes the difference; it's a big improvement over the old 5 speed auto.

I like this combo for easy towing, easy parking the solo tow vehicle, and easy shoehorning into tight campsites.

Best luck, whatever you choose!

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I'd keep the pick-up. By the time you trade it in and eat the instant depreciation on a new vehicle you will be out a wheelbarrow full of cash that would have bought many gallons of gas to feed that v10.

When in doubt, always go for the larger trailer -- far more Airstreamers (for that matter, RV'ers in general) trade up than trade down. We have a 31' and somehow manage to always be short of storage...

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Old 10-26-2013, 04:57 PM   #6
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It's hard to think of two Airstreams more different than a FC 25' rear twin and a Int'l 23 FB. The 25 rear twin maximizes living space and the 23 FB is all about bed and bath.

We had a 20' with the tiny living space (a dinette) in the middle and traded for a rear bed 25'. Get the 25' rear twin and you'll never regret it. There is very little difference pulling down the road, the tires and brakes are larger, and the tank capacities are larger.

If the front dinette seating is not comfortable enough, it's a fairly easy conversion to recliners. We had Airstream do ours.
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Old 10-26-2013, 09:11 PM   #7
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They are both nice ... tough choice. How do you anticipate using your trailer? For longer trips the 25 would be more comfortable - loads more storage. Will you be traveling with kids, pets, etc?

Thanks all for the welcome's. We won't be traveling with pets as its hard to take tropical fish and cats camping. That is why the teenage granddaughter likes that job. We've gone dry camping at several lakes in our area for years. Now that both of us are retired we plan on traveling the West some more as well as Canada which we really like. Family and friends are also in the Mid-West to visit.

Keep in mind that tow vehicles come and go. You'll likely have the Airstream for a loooong time. Welcome to the forum
The AS will more than likely be the last TT that we get. I'm sure it will out live the both of us.

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I'd keep the pick-up. By the time you trade it in and eat the instant depreciation on a new vehicle you will be out a wheelbarrow full of cash that would have bought many gallons of gas to feed that v10.

We were planning on keeping the V10 because it is a great wood hauler and an excellent 4X4 for getting around in Montana winters.

When in doubt, always go for the larger trailer -- far more Airstreamers (for that matter, RV'ers in general) trade up than trade down. We have a 31' and somehow manage to always be short of storage...

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We used to have a larger 5th wheel and sold it to get the smaller toy hauler. Over the last over 7 years I think I've had a motorcycle in it 3 maybe 4 times.

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It's hard to think of two Airstreams more different than a FC 25' rear twin and a Int'l 23 FB. The 25 rear twin maximizes living space and the 23 FB is all about bed and bath.

We had a 20' with the tiny living space (a dinette) in the middle and traded for a rear bed 25'. Get the 25' rear twin and you'll never regret it. There is very little difference pulling down the road, the tires and brakes are larger, and the tank capacities are larger.

If the front dinette seating is not comfortable enough, it's a fairly easy conversion to recliners. We had Airstream do ours.
One thing we both like is the dinette and lounge in the FC 25 with the rear twins. Once a year we get together with friends for a week and we have the traveling coffee camper. We usually have 10 to 12 people in the unit from 6:00 to about 8:00 a.m. for coffee, tea, hot chocolate and wonderful conversation. By the way, I really like the front of your AS.
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Old 10-26-2013, 09:31 PM   #8
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Just to throw this out there - last weekend and this weekend I'm towing our 2007 23' Safari SE with a 2014 Grand Cherokee with the V6 and 8spd automatic. It's a company car - usually I tow with a Hemi V8 powered Durango.

I'm amazed by how well the V6 pulls the trailer. The 8 speed automatic makes the difference; it's a big improvement over the old 5 speed auto.

I like this combo for easy towing, easy parking the solo tow vehicle, and easy shoehorning into tight campsites.

Best luck, whatever you choose!

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Thanks for the info as that is very helpful.
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Old 10-26-2013, 09:50 PM   #9
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Dot ton was very helpful when we were trying to make up our minds between the 25 FB and the rear bedroom.

We ultimately opted for the FB twin.

Our previous was a 23 FB queen.

The 25 is not only longer, but it is 6" wider. That might not seem like much, but if you have a chance to go in both, you will notice the extra width immediately.

Most of the places we frequent, we back in, so we have the scenery when we set down in the dinette. The 25 has more lounge space, and that was for us.

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Old 11-07-2013, 08:27 PM   #10
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We have had a rear bed, and now have a 27FB.

We like the FB layout much better - here is a picture that shows why.



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We have had a rear bed, and now have a 27FB.

We like the FB layout much better - here is a picture that shows why.
Ah ya forgot to mention - this is from Disney Fort Wilderness Campground. Here again for the International Wine and Food Festival!
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Old 11-11-2013, 07:41 PM   #12
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Last night the final decision was made and we are going to buy a FC 25 Rear Twins. When I do the annual coffee club get together the forward lounge will be great for that. We will have at least 10+ at any one time enjoying fresh ground coffee, tea or hot coco. Some of the areas we camp in are noisier towards the front of the TT. Besides, the view of the lake and bridge while sipping coffee in bed is so much more inviting.

We found a brand new 2014 at a great price and as long as it doesn't get sold before Jan 1, 2014, we'll be in good shape.
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Old 11-11-2013, 09:09 PM   #13
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Congrats. Sounds like you made the right decision.

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Old 11-11-2013, 09:12 PM   #14
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Awesome - hope you can find a way to hold it (a deposit?) - hate to see it sold right from under you.

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