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Old 07-05-2006, 03:33 AM   #15
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Consider a truck

Another note on the TV...if you family is active, and your activities require things like bikes, sports equiptment, etc, consider a truck over an SUV. A good 3/4 ton by Ford/GM/Dodge are all good. If all of your trips are short, gas will work fine, but if you put on the miles, go diesel.
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Old 07-05-2006, 09:59 AM   #16
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A 1/2 ton Suburban would do a great job towing the 25 footer. You may want to look at the Safari 30' Bunk model, great set up for a family, but then you would need the 3/4 ton Suburban to pull it.

They are some fair sized dealers in Florida, I would suggest you load up the kids and head off to investigate what floor plan you really like.
The 30' bunk is a great family friendly (Airstream's most family friendly plan in years IMHO), but alas, it has been discontinued so you would have to hurry and find one in dealer stock. However, you can get a great deal on one if you find one. We have an '06 and have only used it 3 times so far but we really love it.

Good luck with your search and your decision.
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Old 07-05-2006, 10:19 AM   #17
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I recently sold my 2003 32ft. Itasca with only 8,000 miles on it. Too many problems, too expensive. Oil changes, heavy and no freedom to explore!

I have 3 boys (15,13 and 7) and use it for a weekend each month. I have no knowledge on towing and would like a SUV so the kids could watch a movie.
And the other side of the coin..... I mighta void the urge to go bigger than 25 feet. You will be more limited in the places you can go and camp in a longer trailer. Chances are your 15 and 13 year olds will become "too cool" to camp soon... and in a few short years they'll be out in the world - and most likely not camping with dad

An Airtsream is a life time purchase for many - how do you see yourself using it in 10 years? Will you need the extra length?
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Old 07-06-2006, 07:19 PM   #18
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thank you all for your help!

Looking to buy new Airstream. I like warranties!
Tow truck/SUV can be second hand.
From Safari/International or Clasic, which one do you think will hold the price better after 3-4 years of use?
I am planing to have it for only 4 years max, and would like to have the biggest residual value after that.
So I have three questions left:
1.- What used models sell closer to the purchased price? (most sought after models)
2.- Do you all keep your Airstrems under a roof when storing? I used a special cover for my old Class A. Do you use a cover for the Airstream?
3.- Can you rent an Airstream to see if it is realy what we want?
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Old 07-07-2006, 09:13 AM   #19
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Hi adotutu -- We've been rambling on, so it is good to have your feedback on your needs.

The Airstream rental question has been asked before and generally the answer is, "None that we know." There certainly are some RV rental firms around but they don't do Airstreams. Would a dealer let a person of unknown skills/experience rent a used one? Maybe somewhere but I don't think this would be too likely.

Airstreams hold value better if they have been stored under a roof. One cannot slip a plastic cover over an Airstream -- wind moving the cover will cause noticeable damage to the clearcoat finish.

If you are looking at a one-time relatively brief ownership period, you are going to take you biggest loss on depreciation the minute you pull it away from a dealer. Depreciation will be a larger number than differences between Classic, Safari or CCD. I could guess that an owner would attend to major issues within the 24 month warranty period. I suspect you would have much lower costs and still have reliability if you found a 2-6 year old used Airstream.

That being said, the Safari SE line introduced a year ago is so popular that Airstream is expanding the offerings to as many lengths as it can -- things like open-from-the-top windows, bright finished interiors, panoramic end window. I hear the SE (Special Edition) line is the #1 seller for Airstream but don't have a crystal ball to tell you about tastes and gas prices in 4 years... The SE is a decent compromise one step away from the more modern interiors of the CCD. Classics may have more limited market -- heavier, more traditional (home-like) cabinetry.
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Old 07-07-2006, 10:34 AM   #20
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You get the Vintage Quality too. Lighter, and the cool polish look. Whereever you go, you'll be a hit... and really look forward to taking her out!

Plus, remember, 69 is a special year with the square window in rear, and round all on the sides.. One cool trailer!
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Old 07-07-2006, 11:36 AM   #21
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Consider a Used AS

Although buying new would be great, after checking into the price of new Airstreams, that path shut down quickly.

What is of value is the thought of going to an Airstream dealer and walking through the various sized TT's. This will give you a feel for what would be good for your crew. Everyone else has touched on how many people, etc.

Also....what kind of camping are you going to do? Some mountainous areas pose a problem for the longer trailers. For us, we went with a 34 footer and than matched up the tow vehicle.

Don't make the mistake a guy in our WBCCI group made. He bought a new 25' AS and after one trip realized it was too small.

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Old 07-07-2006, 11:53 AM   #22
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Don't make the mistake a guy in our WBCCI group made. He bought a new 25' AS and after one trip realized it was too small.

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My local dealer says that the turn over rate for the small trailers is higher than the others. It's always the issue of wanting more space. Even if new is out of the question, many of the dealers who move a lot of Airstreams have used units in stock. This can give you a good idea of space in those units. Also consider visiting a Forum rally or WBCCI rally. Airstreamers usually love to show off their trailers.

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Or go Custom!

Buy a old used 1950s or 60s the length you want, and for what you would pay for a new one, have one that is customized to your liking... like what Matthew McConaughey is doing with Vintage Lightning with Airstream Life and GSM Vehicles... just a thought. Have you listened to www.theVAP.com yet? Although it is the VINTAGE Airstream Podcast, many issues / discussions on the show pertain to the new buyer and new Airstreams as well. Just to get some ideas.

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I have only weekends available, so trips are very short.
I live in Hollywood, Florida and take trips to Orlando/Tampa/Sanibel/key west etc. The longest trip that we took was for 5 days...
I will be traveling this weekend to Key West. If you know somebody with a 25-28 resent model looking to sell, please tell him to call me at (305) 301-7862.
thank you all and have a great weekend.....

Question:

If you sell your second home for a loss, can you deduct the loss? (depreciation).
I know that if you sell your second home with a gain, you do have to pay capital gains tax, so why not deduct from your taxes if the price falls?
So if I want to deduct the maximum amount should'nt I buy a new one?
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If you sell your second home for a loss, can you deduct the loss? (depreciation).
I know that if you sell your second home with a gain, you do have to pay capital gains tax, so why not deduct from your taxes if the price falls?
So if I want to deduct the maximum amount should'nt I buy a new one?
If you can take a loss on a second home, it would be a capital loss. There's a 3,000 limit that you may claim each year for net capital losses, and may carryover any remainder to sbsequent years.

I say if because you may not claim a loss on a personal residence. I fear that the same may apply to a second home.

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If you sell your second home for a loss, can you deduct the loss? (depreciation).
I know that if you sell your second home with a gain, you do have to pay capital gains tax, so why not deduct from your taxes if the price falls?
So if I want to deduct the maximum amount shouldn't I buy a new one?
Here's what I been able to determine at this point. The tax result for a second home (assuming that you are not renting the home in excess of 14 days a year) is that you can deduct only your mortgage interest, property taxes, and any uninsured casualty loss cost.

Since the home is not a money making enterprise, depreciation does not come into play. You can do a search on google regarding second home tax implications and get lots of information. You are correct in the capital gains issue if the home appreciates.

I guess the question on my mind comes into the issues of declaring the trailer as a second home. I'm assuming that if you do not have or deduct mortgage interest, then the selling price is immaterial for tax purposes? If so then I guess once you cross the threshold of deducting interest paid on the loan, capital gains rules fall into play for tax purposes. In the case of a new trailer there would be no tax ramifications since I again assume that normal depreciation is not deductible since there is no income being derived from the trailer. But I could see a turnabout in the case of you buying a vintage unit with a loan, deducting interest and then selling for a profit.

Obviously since you are treating this as a second home, you can deduct money spent on improvements to come up with a net selling price. From what I read the home owners capital gains exemption could be used to shelter that profit. I think that may be a one time exemption though.

Whew! That's a lot to think about and obviously I would consult a tax adviser on all of this.

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