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Old 04-13-2013, 08:15 AM   #15
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I'll head out to look shortly, but I think I was told the tow package included external tran cooler... I guess it's time to find out! Maybe after 50 years the engineers did learn something and decided to do these things correctly from factory... Maybe wishful thinking on my end
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Old 04-13-2013, 08:31 AM   #16
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I have used a"Tru Cool" from Dana Corp. they are unique in that they are a self regulating cooler that is particularly effective in norther climates. They restrict the flow thru in winter but allow full passage in summer or when the oil heats up too much. Google Tru Cool for more info. Jim
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Can-Am RV is located in London Ontario. Andy Thompson can be reached at (866) 226-2678 or (519) 652-3284. Their business address is:

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Marshall McLean is the very knowledgable service manager.

They welded a brace for my 2007 Mercedes ML 320 CDI diesel factory hitch and did an excellent job. See photo in the "images" links below my avatar.

To my dismay and dent in the pocket book, the 2013 Airstream 25FB International when loaded with stuff and water put the Mercedes over limits on the front axle rating and GVW rating. There was not enough payload capacity to handle the tongue weight (factory literature said 833 pounds, but the scale said 1,175 pounds actual), my wife and myself and a few items in the rear of the car. Thus, the acquisition of a 3/4 ton diesel pickup to have the load capacity for the trailer plus generator sets, spare propane tank, gasoline, extra water ......

An auxiliary transmission cooler will be the least of your issues at this moment but will have to be addressed if the following works out.

Take the Acadia across the nearest CAT scales at a truck stop (park with the axles on two different areas at the front of the scales) with it full of fuel, the family and usual stuff in the back. You will receive a print out showing the weights on the front axle and rear axle and the total weight of the vehicle. Compare these numbers to the factory door plate weight limits.

A properly setup weight distribution hitch in theory will put a third of the actual tongue weight (factory literature shows 467 pounds), which now includes the weight of the hitch assembly as well, on the front tow vehicle axle, a third on the rear tow vehicle axle and a third on the trailer axle(s). To that tongue weight will be added 60 pounds of propane when the tanks are filled.

Check the vehicle owners manual for the maximum towed vehicle weight allowable to ensure the 6,000 pound GVW of the Airstream 23FB International is not too much load.

A little up front homework can resolve issues that can have tremendous impact on the "fun" budget.

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Maybe after 50 years the engineers did learn something and decided to do these things correctly from factory...
I'm sure they DID learn to do things correctly from the factory...but the bean counters ALSO learned how to save money. We're talking GM here (of which I own several).

There is NO external transmission cooler on a 2012 Acadia. If you have the V92 towing package you have the factory standard radiator that now comes with all Acadias; originally it was an option, but GM puts the HD radiators in all Acadias (and their sister vehicles) now to save money. The V92 radiator, like all other automatic equipped vehicles, has an internal transmission cooler that is marginal for the truck itself while not towing anything at all. For towing, especially a full size trailer (vs. those that pull a POP-UP and still overheat) you WILL NEED an aftermarket external transmission cooler even though you DO indeed have the GM "Heavy Duty" HD cooler built into the radiator included in the V92 towing package.

I'm trying to help you enjoy your new trailer and your travels. Transmission failure is NOT fun in the middle of a vacation.
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Old 04-13-2013, 09:00 AM   #19
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Thanks, Switz! Good info. Thanks AGAIN goat. I know you're helping and it's greatly appreciated.
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Hi Terry,

I'm new to AS too, though not the kids. Congrats on both!
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+1 on calling Andy at Can-Am. If he can setup a mini van to pull a 34 foot AS I am sure he has some solid advice for your setup. I would think setting up an Acadia to pull a 23 footer should be fairly simple.

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Old 04-13-2013, 09:39 PM   #22
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Thanks again, all. I called Andy and left a message. Hopefully I will hear back soon. Sounds like a tranny cooler is definitely in my future along with light packing.
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I used to pull a 1969 31' Sovereign dual axle trailer with a ford Windstar V6. This vehicle pulled it fine.
Andy at CAN-AM RV has the know how, to compliment pulling that size of trailer with a specific tow vehicle and knew it's capabilities.
Many years ago 1960-70's tow vehicle didn't have the same amount of horse power the majority of our tow vehicles have today!! If you baby your tow vehicle and not abuse it . It will stand up well!!
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Quick update, since so many of you were helpful. I did end up talking with Andy at Can-Am. He felt I wouldn't need a transmission cooler, but should strongly consider a reinforced hitch receiver.

So, in the interim, I picked up my trailer on a nice cool 55 degree day and towed it the 50 miles back home. The acadia felt terrific towing...no real issues, though I also know I wasn't on the road long, and didn't encounter much in the way of hills, quickly passing semis, etc.

However, the last 5-8 miles home includes a long decently inclined hill -- the acadia had to kick up a gear, but the temp guage looked fine. When I exited the highway, the temp rose, and my check engine light came up very briefly. it cooled when we pulled away from the exit ramp and there were no other issues.

So it seems, GGOAT was most definitely correct that an after market transmission cooler will be needed. And trips outside of our immediate region in Michigan won't happen until we have something different to tow with. I'll be considering the reinforced hitch with Andy, but haven't had time to make the day trip to do that. Interesting that he didn't feel i'd need the cooler, however. It seems rather obvious I will.

Also for what its worth - I kept my speed around 60-65mph.
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All good recommendations from others. I agree that an auxiliary transmission cooler is needed. Another item you should consider is a transmission oil temperature gauge (either in the pan or in the transmission output oil line). If your engine coolant temperature was going up due to the transmission heating up, then the transmission was probably getting quite hot.

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Quick update, since so many of you were helpful. I did end up talking with Andy at Can-Am. He felt I wouldn't need a transmission cooler, but should strongly consider a reinforced hitch receiver.

So, in the interim, I picked up my trailer on a nice cool 55 degree day and towed it the 50 miles back home. The acadia felt terrific towing...no real issues, though I also know I wasn't on the road long, and didn't encounter much in the way of hills, quickly passing semis, etc.

However, the last 5-8 miles home includes a long decently inclined hill -- the acadia had to kick up a gear, but the temp guage looked fine. When I exited the highway, the temp rose, and my check engine light came up very briefly. it cooled when we pulled away from the exit ramp and there were no other issues.

So it seems, GGOAT was most definitely correct that an after market transmission cooler will be needed. And trips outside of our immediate region in Michigan won't happen until we have something different to tow with. I'll be considering the reinforced hitch with Andy, but haven't had time to make the day trip to do that. Interesting that he didn't feel i'd need the cooler, however. It seems rather obvious I will.

Also for what its worth - I kept my speed around 60-65mph.
The advice I attempted to give you was based on years of towing that included learning by actually experiencing these things (such as engine and transmission failure). I was trying to help you avoid what I (and alot of others here) have experienced...along with the money we've spent (and lost) learning these things.

If your engine got so hot that it caused the coolant temperature to rise enough for a check engine light, you can be sure that the transmission was REALLY cooking taking thousands of miles off of its life. You have to remember that when the engine coolant is boiling, and your transmission fluid is cooled by a tank in the the SAME RADIATOR, then that heat from the boiling coolant is being directly transferred to your transmission fluid and transmission. That's why external coolers are a MUST. Some external cooler manufacturers even instruct you to REMOVE the transmission coolant lines from the radiator for the exact reason to reduce the risk of engine overheating causing transmission overheating and possible radiator failure caused by heat/stress induced leaks that can lead to cross-contamination of the fluids which WILL absolutely ruin the transmission. Again, literally thousands of miles are INSTANTLY vanished from the transmission's life. I've had this happen as well...my old Dodge Caravan overheated due to a loss of coolant from a plastic stopcock which burst open on the bottom of the radiator. There was no way of knowing I was overheating as on that vehicle the temperature sensor for the coolant measures the temperature of the coolant itself so that when you lose all coolant the gauge doesn't go up. Long story short, the engine was so hot that it required a total rebuild. But, three weeks later the transmission went (and it had just been serviced about a month prior with only 60,000 miles on the clock). That intense heat transferred directly to the transmission since they are essentially one unit when bolted together. That transmission was FRYING (even with a substantial cooler). So, after several thousand dollars I had a rebuilt engine and a new transmission. Of course, it took over a MONTH and THREE transmission rebuilds before I found a competent shop (avoid Cottman, BTW). And, I wasn't even towing anything at the time of either the engine or transmission failure...

When someone tries to freely offer you well-earned advice based on experience and substantial dollars lost, it is a good idea to take it.

You should NEVER tow ANY substantial weight with ANY automatic transmission without a SUBSTANTIAL external cooler.

I would change the transmission fluid in your transmission ASAP. It has no doubt been compromised by the heat you introduced to it. You may save yourself a very expensive repair bill down the road.

Hope this helps...
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THATS what I was wondering -- was what is the condition of my transmission after making our 350 plus pull to where we are now....up and down long hills...is how to check the transmission for up grades or flaws after doing the task of pulling.
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Old 05-17-2013, 04:52 AM   #28
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Thanks again Ggoat/Jeff. Appreciate your continued suggestions. Your post seems to suggest you might think I'm not following suggestions given ...so let me just say:
I called Andy immediately, per your suggestion, and he said I would not need the cooler. I in fact have been searching for a good garage in town to do one anyway, and only just yesterday got someone to agree to do it. Further I've been looking at more suitable long term TV but in the interim I had to take possession of my new trailer. Since Andy said the cooler wouldn't be necessary -and I still planned to get one- I felt that one way trip taking less than an hour would be okay.

Maybe I'm misinterpreting your post but you should know we come here to get advice a d share experiences. Not to be scolded ..especially when we followed the advice of your preferred expert.
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